[J m HofMarN]

http://jmhofman.tripod.com/id188.html

So yeah, I finally stopped half assing and wrote a real article for once. Check it out and tell me what you think, I hope I've still got what it takes. Note that I provided a link, am I growing considerate in my old age or have I just had one too many mojitos?

[David-kyo]

Not bad at all. You weren't any more unbiased against them than they are against gays/abortions/etc. but then again, who can stay unbiased against such ignorant cunts? Personally, I just love listening to these assholes preaching about the love of God while there's a clear exp​ression of contempt and hatred on their face.

[Vesuvius]

Not a bad article at all. I am uterly sick of these people calling themselves "Christian" when they are the farthest from it. They haven't read the entire bible, they listen to wishy-washy "preachers", they go to their "church service" pep-rallies and come out hating everyone for apical reasons alone. It's not Christianity that you're attacking, it's religion in general because all if it has taken this trend.

I am a Christian, but I am not religious! There is a big difference. I do things the way that I see fit as spoken of in the Bible and that is to love one another. Just live and let live. If these fanatics have ever read the entire bible for themselves, this is the message that they should get. Love one another and live and let live.

[David-kyo]

With that said, I'd like to direct those of you who haven't yet read Yahtzee's Chris and Trilby comic here. This one sums up this issue beautifully.

[Vesuvius]

Good stuff David-Kyo.

[J m HofMarN]

You weren't any more unbiased against them than they are against gays/abortions/etc

Not unbiased? Hey I was nice enough to offer to get rid of all the references to inbred hillbillies, I think I was being very fair with them.

I am a Christian, but I am not religious! There is a big difference. I do things the way that I see fit as spoken of in the Bible and that is to love one another. Just live and let live. If these fanatics have ever read the entire bible for themselves, this is the message that they should get. Love one another and live and let live.

Thanks Yukai, I'm really glad you weren't offended. I kind of lean towards Christianity myself, though certainly not towards church. I always try to specify that I'm talking about crazies less than I'm talking about Christians.

I DO think Christians have a requirement to try to help their fellow man or woman or tranvestite to a more moral path, but only if they know them or are just doing it on a one on one basis. One person talking to another and praying for them is fine, but when you get a mob of nut jobs outside an abortion clinic with pictures of dead babies you're just scaring people. And when you make laws saying gay couples cannot be real families you're just hurting people. Christianity is entirely too organized nowadays and has lost the real spirit of the religion. Fuck, Jesus didn't go out and lobby against allowing Roman couples to marry or try to have amendments passed to ban money changing, he went out and talked to people like they were his fellows.

[Vesuvius]

J. M., I was going to say a lot of what you just said, about talking to your fellow man, one on one. And Jesus treating people as if they were all his friends. Now it's become so crazy with these crazy creeds and these "youth-groups." Hell, I was trash talked and exiled in my Sunday school classes because I wanted to learn, not socialize about avarice and "my daddy gives more money to the church than your daddy does." I didn't care about shoes, jersey's, disigner clothes, and all this silly singing! Like I stated earlier, it's just a pep-rally. A psuedo-Christian pep-rally at that.

Honestly, some of the worst battles about religion that I have had were against those that call themselves Christian. Waitaminute! Aren't we on the same team?!

Oh well, I guess I don't count, I'm not a Commercial-Christian.

[David-kyo]

Not unbiased? Hey I was nice enough to offer to get rid of all the references to inbred hillbillies, I think I was being very fair with them.

I never said it was unfair to treat them like that, they had it coming!

This post has been edited by David-kyo: 24 November 2006 - 05:14 AM

[Jordan]

It's clear not one of you read the bible.

Jesus was not making friends, he was going around and calling people names, losing his temper, throwing stuff, and getting angry at the aposltes stupidty.

Jesus spoke more verses on hell than heaven.

[Vesuvius]

It's clear not one of you read the bible.

Jesus was not making friends, he was going around and calling people names, losing his temper, throwing stuff, and getting angry at the aposltes stupidty.

Jesus spoke more verses on hell than heaven.

Ha ha haaa! You may have read the bible but did you understand why he was calling certain people names? He was ripping on the Pharicees and the Saducees for honoring laws that they thought were so correct when in fact it was them that twisted the laws. Jesus had the right to call them theives, liars, and hypocrites. Jesus only lost his temper in the church, supposedly a place of worship where instead of worship, gambling was going on. He had the right to lose his temper there and smash the place up. No worshiping of God was going on there, only lucrative attempts of wanton greed. And Jesus said it himself, "Man cannot serve God and Mammon." Mammon being material things and riches.

Maybe the way you see it, Jesus was getting angry with his apostles, but how can one not be corrected for their mistakes if no action (and sometimes) anger is involved. And if Jesus never preached on Hell, them more people would be tempted to do more wrong because they don't fear an ultimate consequence for their actions. Considering that most of the people didn't even want to listen to Moses after he had the Ten Commandments, it seems that it was absolutely valid that Jesus tell the people what is in store for them. And this leads back to Jesus calling people liars, thieves, and hypocrites. They perverted parts of the Ten Commandments to accomodate themselves.

If you want a feel good meassage about "psuedo-religion" and how to spend your money, then go to a church, be religious. But if you want someone to follow, then follow Jesus.

[Gobbler]

Ahh, such discussions are always infinitely amusing seen from a Buddhist's point of view. Hmm, no wait, that's not right. It's just amusing. But it would be infinitely amusing from a Shintoist's point of view.

[Spoon Poetic]

You go, Yukai. I would have said the stuff you said but you said it for me. Thanks!

[J m HofMarN]

Jesus was not making friends, he was going around and calling people names, losing his temper, throwing stuff, and getting angry at the aposltes stupidty.

Jesus was also the son of god, Asshat. You get to yell at people if you're the son of god. You also get to cast out demons, walk on water, turn water into wine, etc.

But did Jesus make a binding law saying certain people he didnt like couldnt get married? Did he have legislators telling people how to live their lives? Did he try to see people imprisoned or killed for what they did? No. He was the son of god and he didnt go half as far as some of these crazy asses. What makes you think they have the right?

[Jordan]

Jesus rules!

[Gobbler]

So Mr. Bush changed his name already?