QUOTE (azerty @ Dec 23 2004, 08:53 PM)
Where to bashers start their bash point? You don't like Qui Gon as a jedi, but like Luke as a jedi in Return of the Jedi? You like Boba Fett's 5 minutes in Empire, but don't like Darth Maul's 5 minutes in Menace? You find Uncle Owen interesting, but Watto boring? You believe in rubber faced Greedo, but not in Rubber faced Trade Aliens. The fight between Luke and Vader is exciting, while between Maul and Obi Wan isn't. Despite the fact that Empire makes no sense and Menace makes some sense, you think one is the best in the series, and the other is the worst. You hate extraneous characters but like Lando.
Maybe the reason you don't understand our views is because you just made half this stuff up? Just to take the very first point, if you had actually paid attention to the discussions we've had on Qui-Gon, I think you'd find that most of us
do like him as a character. The reason we have a problem with him is that according to the OT he shouldn't even exist - or at least not as Obi-Wan's Master.
'You like Boba Fett's 5 minutes in Empire, but don't like Darth Maul's 5 minutes in Menace?'
There is no comparison between them. Boba Fett was a minor character who served his purpose and didn't need any further screen time. Darth Maul was the
main villain of TPM, yet he had even less dialogue than Boba!
'You find Uncle Owen interesting, but Watto boring?'
When did anyone say this? There may be other reasons why people like or dislike these characters, but I don't remember anyone saying they found Owen particularly interesting or Watto particularly boring.
'You believe in rubber faced Greedo, but not in Rubber faced Trade Aliens'
Again, I don't remember anyone saying this. But if one was done well and the other badly, why not?
'The fight between Luke and Vader is exciting, while between Maul and Obi Wan isn't.'
Which one is the most 'exciting' is not the point. The TPM duel may have looked cool and been well-choreographed, but it was entirely missing the emotional resonance of the fight between Luke and Vader - largely because Maul is such a completely uninteresting villain.
'Despite the fact that Empire makes no sense and Menace makes some sense, you think one is the best in the series, and the other is the worst.'
Well, Empire made perfect sense to me when I watched it (which was
after I watched TPM, by the way), and the same is apparently true for just about everyone else here. In TPM, on the other hand, all the illogicalities stuck out like a sore thumb.
'You hate extraneous characters but like Lando.'
Again, I have no idea where you got this from. None of us have a problem with extraneous characters as long as they a) serve
some purpose and b) don't take up too much screen time or detract from the main story. But in any case, Lando is not 'extraneous' - his role is fairly small, but impotant to the plot.