Heccubus Presents: Primers An Educational Thread
#17
Posted 10 August 2007 - 07:09 AM
QUOTE (barend @ Aug 10 2007, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps I didn't make my point clear.
Nirvana is more 'punk' than the Offspring, in the same way Napalm Death is more 'metal' than Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.
As in Nirvana has 'punk' roots, and the Offspring was an annoying pop band. 'punk' is no more a buzzword than anything else
'punk' was really just the original term for alternative.
and even then just for rock. everything else alternative was called industrial. This was before 'alternative rock' came along which is sadly just a lable for rock that isn't ballads intended to sell to people with no souls.
Nirvana is more 'punk' than the Offspring, in the same way Napalm Death is more 'metal' than Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.
As in Nirvana has 'punk' roots, and the Offspring was an annoying pop band. 'punk' is no more a buzzword than anything else
'punk' was really just the original term for alternative.
and even then just for rock. everything else alternative was called industrial. This was before 'alternative rock' came along which is sadly just a lable for rock that isn't ballads intended to sell to people with no souls.
You're still just splitting hairs. In the Offspring's earlier days they played fast, aggressive music with a lot of edgy lyrics and simple instrumentation (with the exception of some impressive solos). By definition they were a punk band. The fact that they stopped playing that music in favour of something else is irrelevant, it happens to most punk bands that break the mainstream. Even the Ramones sucked out loud for the latter half of their career. As did the Clash, Bad Religion, Rancid and numerous other bands that are respected in the punk community.
I still think you're wholly misguided in your statement. That bit on punk being the original term for alternative is so incredibly off the mark that it's somewhat dumbfounding.
#19
Posted 10 August 2007 - 10:24 AM
QUOTE (Bond @ Aug 10 2007, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Heccubus, did you manage to read my post about Maroon 5? If so, what did you think?
I did, and I thought it was a fairly unrelated post without a lot of relevance to the discussion.
#21
Posted 10 August 2007 - 12:22 PM
No, I'd do it the same way I always have. Rock, Metal, Punk, Electronic, Country/Folk, Noise, Hip hop and Pop. Everything I own can be sorted at least loosely into those eight categories. It just doesn't make sense to me to stick everything into nice little stacks.
This post has been edited by Heccubus: 10 August 2007 - 12:23 PM
#23
Posted 10 August 2007 - 01:09 PM
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Noise_music
That's the only decent descriptor I've ever found online for the genre. Noise is one of my passions. If you want audio examples you check the Myspace profile for my own noise project:
myspace.com/brotherrat
That's the only decent descriptor I've ever found online for the genre. Noise is one of my passions. If you want audio examples you check the Myspace profile for my own noise project:
myspace.com/brotherrat
#25
Posted 12 August 2007 - 04:23 PM
Heccubus - That's some nice work.
Wasn't aware there was another noise listener in the forums.
Check out the garbage I produce - www.myspace.com/misguidedmissileproject and www.myspace.com/noisymissfat
I was going to write an introduction to noise and other such genres, but I don't think i'd say anything that wikipedia doesn't already cover.
All I can offer is the following - If it makes you feel genuinely uncomfortable, then it's good noise.
Wasn't aware there was another noise listener in the forums.
Check out the garbage I produce - www.myspace.com/misguidedmissileproject and www.myspace.com/noisymissfat
I was going to write an introduction to noise and other such genres, but I don't think i'd say anything that wikipedia doesn't already cover.
All I can offer is the following - If it makes you feel genuinely uncomfortable, then it's good noise.
"There comes a time in every person's life when they should learn to shut up. It is called 'birth'."
-The League Against Tedium
-The League Against Tedium
#27
Posted 12 August 2007 - 04:51 PM
Then it's had the desired effect.
Before I'm shouted at, that's the way I feel about noise, but in my opinion, the harsher the better.
Before I'm shouted at, that's the way I feel about noise, but in my opinion, the harsher the better.
"There comes a time in every person's life when they should learn to shut up. It is called 'birth'."
-The League Against Tedium
-The League Against Tedium
#28
Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:53 AM
QUOTE (Heccubus @ Aug 10 2007, 07:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're still just splitting hairs. In the Offspring's earlier days they played fast, aggressive music with a lot of edgy lyrics and simple instrumentation (with the exception of some impressive solos). By definition they were a punk band. The fact that they stopped playing that music in favour of something else is irrelevant, it happens to most punk bands that break the mainstream. Even the Ramones sucked out loud for the latter half of their career. As did the Clash, Bad Religion, Rancid and numerous other bands that are respected in the punk community.
I still think you're wholly misguided in your statement. That bit on punk being the original term for alternative is so incredibly off the mark that it's somewhat dumbfounding.
I still think you're wholly misguided in your statement. That bit on punk being the original term for alternative is so incredibly off the mark that it's somewhat dumbfounding.
I was being subculturally glib.
Punk has a spirit that the Offspring never had. They didn't belong in that genre.
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#29
Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:42 PM
QUOTE (barend @ Aug 13 2007, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was being subculturally glib.
Punk has a spirit that the Offspring never had. They didn't belong in that genre.
Punk has a spirit that the Offspring never had. They didn't belong in that genre.
So they weren't spirited enough for you, Bar?
#30
Posted 13 August 2007 - 03:55 PM
I suppose the Offspring never really took the 'FUCK SOCIETY' view that many people consider to be proper punk, although a few songs could be seen as a social commentary ("Keep 'Em Seperated", for one).
"There comes a time in every person's life when they should learn to shut up. It is called 'birth'."
-The League Against Tedium
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