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As you were
Oh? At least you admitted that several of them were really plot holes!
As to the rest you commented on:
Okay, fine, I'll play along for now...
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Clones were replaced with regular conscripts as their ranks thinned out.
Not explained in the movie, hence, a plot hole. No indication of conscripts filling out the army in Episode III when there must be exponentially more troops. Implication is that somehow they fielded enough clones. If they could do that, what's the need for conscripts 20 years later?
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See above.
See above. No explanation is given in the movie of how they get so many more clones, and if they can get so many clones in a hurry, (a plot hole between AOTC and ROTS) then what's the need to replace them with conscripts in the OT? Plot hole.
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what?
http://www.chefelf.c...s/ep3_61-70.php
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Reason #62
The Tantive IV
It is made clear in the movie that the ship Bail Organa takes Yoda and Obi-Wan on is none other than the Tantive IV, the ship the rebels are in in the opening minutes of the original Star Wars movie, A New Hope. While the interior of the ship in Revenge of the Sith resembles that of the ship we see in A New Hope quite closely, the exterior bears only a basic resemblance. It is not quite clear what exactly happens between the two movies that causes the changes in shape, texture and color by the time A New Hope comes around. It is only clear that the graphics effects artists seemed to have no interest in doing anything other than trying to construct a new Tantive IV model with a computer using only their memory. If that is what was done, then I'd say they did a pretty good job. However, for future productions, they may be better served to examine the old models or even pictures of them.
Fans are already making excuses for this inconsistency by citing numerous Star Wars geek resources such as the Star Wars: Technical Journal which describe the Tantive IV as being modular in design. That is all well and good, but I am interested in knowing exactly how adding and/or subtracting modules can cause the overall size, shape and proportions of a shipt to change so drastically. Perhaps this will be explained in Star Wars: Technical Journal 2: Explaining the Inane.
The pictures explain the rest!
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what?
No indication given that he remembers anything useful from the Prequel era. Not persons, not rocket boosters, not events. He's either playing dumb and lying or his memory was erased. Plot hole!
And nobody knows that he's lived through the Prequel era either or else they could think of asking him some question about it.
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He doesn't, does he? What do you mean?
"That boy was our last hope." He knows Leia is alive, and he knows she's the daughter of Anakin just like Luke. He must know she has equal potential in the Force, and yet he doesn't think to have her trained, doesn't tell her about her past (not even an excuse story like he does with Luke), and even after he's passed into the Jedi afterlife, he's ready to give up just because a barely trained Luke is rushing off to face Vader. Plot hole.
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Podrace. yes, I know, but they use the verb to pilot to describe the act of podracing.
That's how it goes.
Makes no sense in context, because in the conversations about Anakin's piloting skills, they're always compared to Luke's piloting skills. What did Luke pilot? A T-16 Skyhopper, some kind of terrestrial aircraft. Hardly comparable to a pod racer.
That'd be like comparing an F-15 pilot to an Indy car driver. Obi-Wan later clarifies that Anakin was the "greatest STAR PILOT in the galaxy." Plot hole.
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This isn't a plothole.
Yes it is. He claims it happened, but we never see it. Owen and Anakin barely talk at all. Obi-Wan says they had some kind of disagreement. Is Obi-Wan lying again? It's never explained. Plot hole.
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The war and it's fallout has changed him (its clearer if you watch them in order)
He's lying then. He should say that this is his teaching ("never use the Force for attack, only for knowledge and defense, or risk the temptation of the Dark Side you will!" or something like that), not the teaching of the Jedi. He's clearly teaching something in stark contradiction to the Jedi way. No Jedi we ever saw ever lived up to that ideal, not even Yoda himself.
Yoda is lying? Contradiction.
12 - Why was Luke "hidden" on Anakin's home planet, at the homestead of the family his mother married into and his last name not changed? (ROTS vs. ANH)
He wasn't "hidden". he was "dead".
So they weren't hiding the children? Could have fooled me, I watched the ending to Episode III...
So because somebody is presumed dead, keep their last name and put them in a place familiar to the one that might kill them if they knew they were alive? Stupid. Plot hole.
13 - Why doesn't Chewie react to Han Solo's bad-mouthing of the Jedi and the Force? (ANH vs. ROTS)
what?
Chewie was war buddies with Yoda, who had "good relations with the wookiees." Chewie witnessed Yoda's prowess and sounded sad to see him go (as Yoda was going to miss him too) and personally helped him escape. As a veteran, he should have been pissed off that Han would badmouth his friend like this.
15 - Why did the first Death Star take twenty years to build, while the second, larger and more powerful station, was built in 1-3 years? (ROTS vs. ROTJ)
Improved technology? That's not such a leap to make is it?
Weak. Why would a bigger, stronger station, be built in 1/20th the time, in secret? It took them 20 years to build it, and in three years they could improve the design and speed up the production 20x... I don't think so. We always knew they could build a Death Star in 1-3 years. That it took 20 years for the first one was just stupid.
16 - When was it shown that Anakin was a "good man" and a "good friend" before he turned to the Dark Side? (ROTS vs. ANH/ROTJ)
He was obviously a good man who made bad choices. One of the things the trilogy does well is blur the easy good/bad distinctions that the OT made.
Would you call someone who kills women and children because he's upset a "good man"? How about somebody who betrays his vows, badmouths his mentor behind his back and tries to seduce someone who he isn't supposed to be messing with? Padme calls him a "good person" in Episode III, but he's clearly not. He's a psychopathic mass murdering bastard.
Can you separate a person from their deeds? Next thing you know, Palpatine is a bad person who makes some good choices.
Obi-Wan is lying? He knew of Anakin's sins by this point. And by the time Anakin became a father, he was already "twisted and evil." Contradiction.
17 - Why did Obi-Wan refer to Yoda as "The Jedi Master who instructed me" when he was instructed by Qui Gon Jinn? (TPM vs. ESB)
Yoda instructed him when he was a kid. You see this in Ep2
No we don't. We see Yoda teaching a room full of children he refers to as "younglings" and "padawans." According to Episode I, it's impossible for a Jedi Master to take on more than one Padawan at a time (contradiction between Episode I and II). We never see Yoda "instructing" Obi-Wan, rather it is Qui Gon Jinn who does that. (and before you say Yoda instructs ALL the Jedi before they are given to a master, which is a fine explanation but not something explained in the movie... then why didn't he instruct Anakin?)
Contradiction.
18 - Why does Yoda moan about Luke being "too old to begin the training" when Obi-Wan had no problem with it, and supposedly Yoda thought 9 year old Anakin was "too old"? (TPM vs. ANH/ESB)
Not sure what you mean by this. isn't this an OT plothole?
The first part is an OT plot hole, but the second part is a PT contradiction. How old is too old? Why didn't Yoda or Obi-Wan begin training him earlier? If Yoda is just making an excuse, he should have made it right off the bat (especially if 9 years is already "too old").
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19 - What happened to Jar Jar Binks?
Died? Survived? No plothole here.
It's a plot hole, because we never know what happens to one of the main characters from Episode I, who played a fundamental role in the creation of the Galactic Empire. Lucas says he was alive and well after the OT ended, but of course this is not explained in any of the movies, so it's a plot hole.
Did he join the Rebellion? Was he hunted as a traitor? Did he work for the Empire? Plot hole!
20 - (Special Editions) Why does anyone on Tatooine care when the Empire falls?
They were occupied. Did you watch ANH?
Occupied? I only see a few squads of stormtroopers land on the planet as an elite force to locate the Death Star plans and decide to go on a killing spree while they're there.
Episode I establishes that the planet is outside the Republic and ruled by the Hutts. Jabba appears to still be there running the show in ROTJ. Tatooine didn't seem to be a friendly planet to the Rebellion at that time, but neither did it seem to be pro-Imperial during the OT era. So why would a Hutt planet care that the Empire had collapsed?
22 - What happened to all the battle droids?
Shut down on Siddys orders.
C3PO is shut down multiple times in the trilogy. Shutting down a droid does not prevent it from ever working again, or for other droids of its make or model from functioning again. What did they do with all those billions or more of battle droids? Why doesn't the Empire use them anymore, since they are superior to Clones in certain situations and far cheaper to produce in mass quantities?
Plot hole.
24 - If there are only always ever two Sith "no more, no less... a master and an apprentice" (TPM) why does Vader recommend that Luke could be turned into a "powerful ally" and the Emperor agrees he would be a "great asset"? (TPM vs. ESB)
They're both working against each other at this point- vader wants to replace siddy and siddy wants rid of his defective sith (again, its one of the brilliant things about the new trilogy is how it changed the dynamics of the old one)
Ludicrous.
"Hey Palpy, old chum, let's try to kill each other."
"Okay Vader, sounds like a good time!"
"Okay, so let's recruit this guy that could destroy us, you know, so that only one of us dies, because there can be only two!"
"Great idea. May the best Sith win!"
Palpatine wanted Luke dead. Vader said no, he can join US (not "join me OR you, whoever gets to him first!") and will be killed only if he refuses. It's implied that Vader will be the one to turn him and Palpatine agrees (can it be done? he will join us or die master.).
This violates the rule of two (which is never explained in the OT and it's never explained why it would be dispensed with), so it's a contradiction.
It's a stupid development, since it makes the Sith far less of a threat than before, and it makes them into idiots if we're expected to think that a sect that hides in secret to live for millennia to destroy the Jedi will purposely try to commit suicide. What are they, Klingons? This is really, really dumb, and it screws up the EU too, in case you care about that!
26 - Why doesn't Admiral Motti seem aware of the reality of the Force and the power of those who wield it? (PT vs. ANH)
Thats not a plothole.
He's a high ranking military official, privy to all the secret goings on of the Empire on the level with the Moffs. He doesn't know that his boss the Emperor and the boss's right hand man share the same power of the Jedi Order, that was a key government agency in the Old Republic, when he was a young man? How could somebody so ignorant and sheltered have risen to such a high rank?
He must remember the Jedi Knights. Even Tarkin remembers them! Plot hole.
27 - What happened to the Imperial military in those two decades that they lost nearly all their hardware and technology? (ROTS vs. OT)
what?
Battle droids (especially buzz droids, droid fighters and droidekas), ray shields, all those walkers and carryalls and artillery pieces, the technology to create general grievous, portable force fields (droidekas again), ship mounted super lasers (seen in the ROTS battle), and so forth. All gone by the OT era and never seen again. Did they melt down all those battle ships to build the Death Star or something? Plot hole.
28 - Why doesn't Obi-Wan recognize the droids? (ANH vs. PT)
I suppose. R2 units all look alike though.
No they don't, and they don't act alike either. As soon as sees the familiar blue and white coloration, and the serial number "R2D2" (complete with the nickname "Artoo") he should at least be reminded of Amidala, then Anakin's personal droid that saved his butt and the butts of his friends on more multiple occasions. Is he just a really good poker faced liar or are he and R2D2 senile?
Plot hole.
30 - Why don't Luke or Leia ever find out that R2D2 knows everything about their past?
Why would they. R2 knows better than that.
Any more?
Why would R2D2 hold out on them forever? He's just going to keep his mouth shut until everyone dies? Obi-Wan didn't at least give permission for him to tell the real story after he or Vader was dead or something? With all the tinkering done to R2D2, nobody noticed this data in his memory banks and thought it might be useful or interesting to check into? Plot hole.
Now that that's out of the way, yes, there may be more, let's hear 'em...
This post has been edited by KurganX: 16 June 2007 - 01:54 PM