Mangling a Bad Guy: How GL ruins his villains.
#32
Posted 11 January 2005 - 03:08 AM
Okay, gentlemen. Let's set our stop watches and see how long it takes before Jariten or that new gusher* comes along and tells us why turning Darth into a title is some really good idea.
* Not This Crude Matter - deserves a mention all on his own. His username comes from something Yoda said in The Empire Strikes Back, that Jedi's are luminary beings, "not this crude matter". This is completely contradicted by that midichlorian shit in the prequels. So why the hell would a gusher use this quote as his username?
#33
Posted 11 January 2005 - 05:03 AM
#34
Posted 11 January 2005 - 09:59 PM
#35
Posted 12 January 2005 - 12:28 AM
Revisionism sucks. EU Sucks.
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#37
Posted 12 January 2005 - 08:19 PM
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#38
Posted 12 January 2005 - 09:16 PM
When all else fails there are privately owned video rental stores-- often you can get a better rental bargain than a chain store-- Netflix, or a used copy to buy via Amazon.com.
#40
Posted 14 January 2005 - 01:03 AM
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#42
Posted 14 January 2005 - 09:40 PM
My path takes me away from ROTS... that much I know.
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#43
Posted 15 January 2005 - 04:50 AM
Great minds think alike, perhaps.
But the whole thing of the Sith being a race is new to me - them being referred to as extinct is suggestive of a species - but the Jedi are also described as "all but extinct" - I had always conceived of them as a rival order of Force-users, Ninja to the Jedi's samurai - their powers put to personal gain - whether by becoming mercenaries or assasins or by inventing schemes and plans to gather more power for themselves. I had kind of thought the pre-Sith War sith would have palaces, temples and perhaps their own empires and armies.
Another thing on the subject of GL messing up his villains - treating the word Darth like some sith version of Mr. makes no sense - Darth Vader was a cool name, but it was a name - he is on one occassion referred to as Darth with the impression Darth was his first name ["only a master of evil, Darth]. Why Darth Maul - give him his own name, not rest on your laurels.
But finally, on the subject of how the villains were killed off before they could grow - Maul killed, Dooku runs away like a manly man - why not, if he always intended to make Dooku, if he did - have Maul and Dooku appear as master and apprentice with different (better) names and thusly, Dooku doesn't seem quite so "I needed a villain so I added Christopher Lee to my instant villain mix and stirred" - It also eliminates Jango Fett. Anything that cuts down on laurel-resting is good, and it also allows Christopher Lee to reprise his good pal Peter Cushings part of the brains of the baddies - not so much a laurel rest but an homage.
That's all.
#44
Posted 15 January 2005 - 09:56 AM
Yes, this is the case. The original Sith were a species, but they died out thousands of years ago. By the time of KOTOR (4,000 years before the movies) the people known as 'Sith' are sort of 'anti-Jedi' - Force-users who choose to follow the Dark Side, using their powers for personal gain and to destroy anyone who opposes them. As you suggested, they form an Empire with its own army and battle the Jedi and the Republic for control of the galaxy.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#45
Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:58 AM
Actually, Darth is used as a name twice in that scene. Once where you ahve quoted and also, "You can't win Darth. If you strike me down..."
As Cowboy mentions it was treated as a name for a good many years and was believed to be so by novelist as well as fans up until the invention of the history of the Sith. Even then, we don't see the introduction of Darth as a title for quite some time. Many of Dark Horse's comics that are sett thousands of years before the OT refer to the Dark Lord of the Sith, but these characters do not take on the Title Darth. The title is actually Dark Lord of the Sith, or Dark Lord so-and-so.
Yoda