The Chosen One what's so great about anakin?
#16
Posted 30 July 2005 - 04:24 AM
Even Kit Fisto could be a better ''Chosen One'' than Anakin.
#17
Posted 30 July 2005 - 08:29 AM
Those who don't become criminals gravitate towards professions in which ruthlessness and a lack of morals can be an asset, which is exactly what you'd expect. That doesn't mean that all or most businessmen or politicians are psychopaths, and I never said anything of the sort, so get off your high horse. And it's not just 'anecdotal' evidence; I've actually done some reading on the subject, believe it or not, and there are all sorts of studies showing this to be the case. Try reading A Mind To Crime by Anne Moir and David Jessel if you want to know more about it.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#18
Posted 30 July 2005 - 11:46 AM
A study that finds lots of criminals in "business"--in a market based economy--doesn't really wow me. Capitalism IS ruthless. The entire system is ruthless. Duh. "Business" is a pretty broad term. Didn't Calivin Cooliage say "the business of America is business"?
Now back to our regularly scheduled topic: Anakin sucks. So does George Lucas's PT. Moving on...
#19
Posted 30 July 2005 - 01:18 PM
This says more about Lucas's sloppy and lazy screenwriting than about little Annie's Chosen One powers.
And since when does the Force make you a great mechanic? Building the pod race happened entirely off screen anyway and is laughably unbelievable in any case. By your logic, if Lucas showed us Annie proudly pointing to a skyscraper and saying, "I designed and built that myself," it'd be proof not of Lucas's failure as a writer but proof of Annie's super duper Force powers.
As for Annie's becoming second in command of the Empire - well, Lucas has to show us how credibly this happened. Instead he shows us a whiny, emo adolescent so weak-minded that after one conversation with Palpatine he goes out to slaughter children. Very impressive. Next on Annie's powerful, valiant deeds for the Dark Side: burning down a hospital.
#20
Posted 30 July 2005 - 01:37 PM
and by the way, anakin and palpatine were friends for at least ten years. im willing to bet they had more than one conversation.
#21
Posted 30 July 2005 - 03:32 PM
Again, show, don't tell. The only evidence for this great "friendship" in Episode II is a scene where Annie and Palpy have two or three lines. Something about Annie praising "your guidance". Guidance in what, Lucas forgot to show *or* tell.
#22
Posted 30 July 2005 - 03:51 PM
#23
Posted 31 July 2005 - 04:39 AM
Which is, um... exactly the point I was trying to make. Duh.
Agreed.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#24
Posted 01 August 2005 - 10:01 AM
Edit: Sorry if this doesn't make any sense.... It's still really early where I am.
This post has been edited by Dorothy: 01 August 2005 - 10:03 AM
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#25
Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:22 AM
In ATOC the Jedi Order numbered 10,000 out of the billions of humans/creatures/aliens etc that inhabited the galazy. This would appear to me to make ALL of the Jedi exceptional not the norm as you state.
Anakin killed children - this is supposed to be some kind of an example of how much of a cut above Anakin was to the norm? Man, he really was the Chosen One!!
#26
Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:30 AM
Now we can add another scene to the Bail "We'll take her" scene. the Judicial Jedi council has ruled that the remains of Anikan are Unfit to raise children. Thank the maker.
#27
Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:12 PM
Chosen for what purpose? The "bringing balance to the Force" nonsense is never explained. And if the Force is essentially autonomous - the Jedi do not create it, they just channel it - how could it get out of balance by the action of mere mortals?
This was an excellent post, well done.
My problem with the Chosen One story line is that here once again Lucas refuses to allow Anakin to accept any kind of responsibility for his actions – the force made him do it. The incidental manner in which Vader appears to fulfil the prophecy pisses me off even more.
The force has been used to excuse many of Lucas’s mistakes, make those continuity errors in the Star Wars trilogy, but nowhere has it been used more cynically than in the creation of a Chosen One. Think about it, Lucas must have sat down and thought, how can I make Anakin not responsible for the deaths of billions of those aliens/creatures/people etc and the destruction of whole planets? Got it, make him a Chosen One - worked in the Matrix, will work here. However, call me crazy but I think that bringing the force back into balance for 10,000 or 2 force users, depending on your point of view, is a price too far to make, for those billions of non-force users. This should never be condoned. If I'd have been one of the non-force users at the end of ROTJ such as Lando or Han, I'd have kicked the force in the nuts.
#28
Posted 01 August 2005 - 03:57 PM
1. What was special about Anakin's powers that made him attractive to Palpatine?
2. Why did Palpatine need Anakin to complete his seizure of power?
Everybody can keep their prophesies and other stolen plot lines. All of that crap is just used by gushers to confuse the fact that Lucas does a piss poor job of answering either of these questions. Which is unfortunate because Anakin's fall can only be understood by answering these questions, and since the prequels are the story of Anakin's fall, failure to answer these questions makes the entire plot unbelievable and uninteresting.
#30
Posted 02 August 2005 - 10:09 AM
the jedi(sith) are the elite of the galaxy; yoda, obi, mace, palps, and annie are the elite of the jedi(sith).