[TruJade]

What about Reign of Fire?
3:10 to Yuma
i loved him in both those movies

And lest we forget, he was one of
the few shining members of
'The New World' cast

[makingfun22_sw]

My cousin and I were thinking how cool it would be to see a Terminator 3 in the future, during the war. All that back in 1996, 1998 or something. I was very dissapointed from the Terminator 3, because it undo everything Terminator 2 did. So i like the concept, but only if in the end (I heard it is going to be a trilogy) Scynet wont exist and the dystopian future never occurs. This was the best part of Terminator 2. We shape our destiny, nothing is predetermined. I trust humanity and i believe, in the end, although through sacrifices, we will create a world which it could be characterised utopia. I also like, in Terminator 2, the fact that the Terminator was the good guy. I don't like all those sci-fi storires depicting robots as antagonists. "It's us or them" style. AI robots will be good, bad, loyal, treacherous, valiant, cowars, selfish, selfless etc. Like humans.

[Vesuvius]

Just got back from seeing this film and it was pretty decent.

I wasn't expecting much because 1) I never even saw any previews for it. (seriously!)
2) T-3 was kinda poor and I didn't know if the franchise could be saved.

Although there were a number of lines, camera angles, etc. used from the previous films and incorporated in this one, the film was overall (I believe) well done.

[mireaux7]

Just got back from seeing this film and it was pretty decent.

I wasn't expecting much because 1) I never even saw any previews for it. (seriously!)
2) T-3 was kinda poor and I didn't know if the franchise could be saved.

Although there were a number of lines, camera angles, etc. used from the previous films and incorporated in this one, the film was overall (I believe) well done.

"decent"..huh?...hmmm, not exactly the type of critic response i was anticipating for all these long waited months. if its better than t-3, ill take that as a verbal accolade.

im going to see it tomorrow though, the fan in me demands that i must.

if they cant successfully reboot the termy franchise to where it can generate rave reviews, maybe someone can work some cinematic magic into rebooting the robocop franchise.

....robocop...yes!, yes!!, yess!! (sorry..got carried away, me thinks)

[civilian_number_two]

Folks, here's the truth: "franchising" storytelling is industry talk for making endless sequels to successful films. It is good for the industry guys, yes, but it seldom produces memorable stories. Fans of movies should never be excited by the idea of endless sequels. They should be hopeful for new and innovative films to come along that will excite them. So more films like THE MATRIX, but no more MATRIX movies, you know?

Fans should never even use the word "franchise" when talking about movies, and they should definitely not hope for "reboots" of franchises and whatnot. We should hope instead to be entertained by great storytelling.

Most of the greatest movies have no sequels, or no sequels of interest. Please noone mention THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, or ALIENS, or any of the GODFATHER sequels, or for that matter T2. Exceptions to my blanket statement draw attention to how few exceptions there are.

PS: I still think Bale was right to bitch out that DOP who was working in his eyeling during a take, and the sound mixer should be blacklisted for selling the tape. And there's about a 50% chance I'll see this movie some time in the next six months.

[mireaux7]

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ok, so i finally saw this movie today and I must say that it exceeded my expectations. I found the movie to be better than the original and the third installment and just under the caliber of T2.

Many fans complained of a lack of storyline with T3, this newest film definitely does not lack in the story department. There's definitely a rich and deep story there, but the speed of the story moves so fast that if you must use the restroom, youre pretty much screwed cause whoever you brought to the theatre with you wont be able to update you on what you missed in due time.

Where T2 was pretty much embued with black and metallic blue hues in the majority of the film. This film seems to have been shot with a camera equipped with a slightly sepia-toned lens to create the dusty brown apocalyptic desert feel that much of the film has.

The acting is great, and even Michael Ironside isnt as wooden as he was in some of his more annoying films such as Total Recall. Christian Bale gives an outstanding performance, and although much aged, the voice-over performance given by Linda Hamilton's cameo shows she tried to keep the tone of her voice youthful as to match in similiarity what Sarah Conner sounded like prior to her death.

Unlike the first 3 films where the filming locations would change rapidly from one locale to the next, this newest film doesnt really have too many locations that differ one from the other. In contrast however, the storyline does get deeper and deeper as the film moves along. So much so, that it could be said that Terminator Salvation is actually a 4 hour film condensed in about half the timeframe.

One key difference that sets this film apart from the others is that because the storyline is moving so fast, that during crucial dramatic scenes..especially those scenes that feature much emotional involvement, the film doesnt rest or idle for very long to reflect on the moment in question. It basically presents it, explains why the scene transpired, and then quickly moves onto the next scene. All this being said, its done with much style, and never leaves a mundane moment in place.

The film has many surprises, and one of its best attributes is the sound. During many action scenes, the sound is so incredible it makes you really feel like youre right there. The film is done so well thats its also difficult to ascertain which scenes contain CG and which do not, beyond the more obvious CG elements such as the Terminators themself, etc.

Moon Bloodgood is definitely a storyline distraction for the male audience as her beauty is quite captivating. Overall, the cast is well played out and logic flows smoothly as its explained how and why each character is related to other characters in the story.

There are countless homages that are paid to the franchise in this newest installment including:

* "Ill be back"
* "Come with me if you want to live"
* "There is no fate but what we make"
* Guns & Roses' "You could be mine" being played
* John Connor demonstrating his many skills acquired during T2, including when he used what looked like a USB cable to interface a computer security system to gain entrance to a locked door.

I noticed very few continuity flaws in the film, but what I noticed was:

The 7-11 still having gas prices listed around $1.50 (its 2018, and even though Judgment Day happened years beforehand, the gas prices should still reflect what they were on the day JD transpired)

The obvious wider jaws on the Terminator exo-skeletons, which is a contrasted departure from the sleeker jaw designs of the first 3 films jaw designs.

Rating: 4 out of 5 stars

[Vesuvius]

Moon Bloodgood is definitely a storyline distraction for the male audience as her beauty is quite captivating.

I wasn't impressed.

The obvious wider jaws on the Terminator exo-skeletons, which is a contrasted departure from the sleeker jaw designs of the first 3 films jaw designs.

It's because these "wider jaws" are on the T-600 models and they had rubber skin. They are also supposedly eight feet tall. They're dumb "search and destroy" units that go down easily to simple gunfire (slugs, bullets, and shells).

It's the T-800 models that are worse because they didn't have rubber skin, they looked far more human and they were used as infiltration and assassin units. These bad-boys didn't go down to gunfire, only plasma, as seen in the opening of T2.

Kyle Reese goes into it but briefly when he's telling Sarah about them in the first Terminator film.

[Lord Aquaman]

Despite the laughable poor quality of T3, I went to see T4 anyway and, surprisingly, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Not quite on par with T1 & T2, but clearly strives to be, and for that it is a vastly superior film to T3.

[TruJade]

I can't believe i forgot to write about my experience . . .
So it was opening night and i was totally jazzed
And i was not disappointed

Sam Worthington will be a star
He is awesome, to the point were his proformance overshadows
Bale and his portrayal of John Conner
which was also fantastic
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There were some weird plot issues like why Skynet
didn't kill Kyle Reese as soon as it found him
like HEEEEELLLLLOOOOOO
but whatever

It was good except for the end
was there NO WAY
possible to save them both??????

like COME ON MCG
anyway still great

[barend]

I found the movie to be better than the original and the third installment and just under the caliber of T2.

That sentence is weird because T1 is infinatley better than T2.

[Storm]

I saw this movie about two weeks ago, and it sucked hard. The whole part in Skynet Headquarters where Marcus was listening to that hologram, or whatever, explain his origins was very cringe worthy. And it was awfully convenient how he was allowed into Skynet no problem later in the movie, although earlier in the movie every Terminator was trying to destroy him. Did those Terminators just forget to identify him?

[Vesuvius]

And it was awfully convenient how he was allowed into Skynet no problem later in the movie, although earlier in the movie every Terminator was trying to destroy him. Did those Terminators just forget to identify him?

The other Terminators were simple search and destroy units (T-600's). They were dumb and shot at anything that resembled a human shape and moved, hence Marcus.

I would even bet that the T-800 models probably would have done the same if it hadn't been for later programing to identify a unit made by the same company.

Take for example the T-800 in the first Terminator film. It had no idea what Sarah Connor looked liked until it realized he killed someone else in her house and found her ID/License. Also, the T-1000 needed a picture of John Connor. However the the T-800 in T2, already knew what he looked like being that he was reprogrammed to identify him.

Because Marcus went to Skynet itself, then I'm sure the database is all hooked up to all the turrets to allow their own models back on base for supplies, info, whatever.

[civilian_number_two]

Yeah, and then in T3, the terminators are apparently able to perform retina scans and DNA testing from blood samples. And they have a full database of all the humans that ever lived; the Terminator is able to identify John Connor by seductively licking his blood off her finger!

T3 sucked. I'm not interested in seeing this one.

[Vesuvius]

Yeah, and then in T3, the terminators are apparently able to perform retina scans and DNA testing from blood samples. And they have a full database of all the humans that ever lived; the Terminator is able to identify John Connor by seductively licking his blood off her finger!

T3 sucked. I'm not interested in seeing this one.

Ooooh yeah, I remember that scene now. That was stupid.

[Gobbler]

I think they tried to talk their way out of it by explaining how Skynet's technology actually didn't just go with the times, but also with the timelines. Like when they defeated the first T-800, Skynet became bound to its core chip being found and analyzed by Cyberdyne. When they destroyed its chip and Cyberdyne's research in the second movie, Skynet with its originally restricted 80's style design became replaced by the decentralized system that was then created by the US government.

So with our current understanding of technology and everything, I'd have been severly disappointed if the Terminatrix hadn't been capable of doing that. And that little gasp that she let out upon realizing that she found John Connor after tasting his blood was nowhere near a bad plot element.

I actually liked the three movies so far, haven't seen the fourth one nor the Sarah Connor Chronicles yet. Good action, bad yet cute pronunciation by Mr. Schwarzenegger ("Ah'l beh bakkh."), lots of stuff blowing up and that creepy feeling of humanity's demise, especially when they launched the nukes in T3.

Only gripe I got with it is, that by the current depiction of Skynet's abilities... well, it already seemed unlikely that humanity had any real chance of surviving in T1. I remember seeing it for the first time when I was twelve years old or so and when I heard them say that John Connor led them to victory... I was really curious about the "how".

This post has been edited by Gobbler: 11 July 2009 - 03:16 PM