No you are wrong, let me explain....
Grieivous killing many jedi is not a mistake, Grievous is powerfull with the lightsaber, but Dooku handles him with ease. Why?
Combat is combat, anything can happen...
True, but certain things are more plausible than others, given what we know about these types of combat!
Grevious is outmatched by any Jedi, clearly. When Jedi have trouble in the movies we always have extenuating circumstances (well except for the Droidekas I suppose.. the only answer for that one is that they "didn't want to spend the time" which sounds weak). The shroud of the dark side limiting their powers, Obi-Wan wanted to arrest Jango, the clones had the element of surprise over the (weakened) Jedi, inadequate training, overwhelming numbers/firepower, etc.
The idea that a few stormtroopers could kill a Jedi Master seemed pretty absurd to me at first, even with the shroud of the dark side thing (how come it didn't seem to affect Obi-Wan or Yoda? Granted they tried to explain this in the novel point, but still, most people didn't read it beforehand to know). Re-watching the DVD I can see that they pretty much went full auto on them and shot them many, many times. At least more of the Jedi killed were done so with vehicle weapons wherein they wouldn't have the chance to raise their saber in defense like they normally do. With the main element of surprise gone, Obi and Yoda can slaughter clones as easily as they do battledroids.
The scene where Obi-Wan force pushes Grevious shows he was toying with him in order to stall for time so his troops could show up. Grevious was fighting for his life, got a bit lucky, but the Force let Obi-Wan win in the end.
I will agree that in general in combat the Jedi are incredibly arrogant and thus do a lot of counter productive things, like not wearing armor or space suites, or carrying other weapons besides lightsabers, that might help them in certain situations. The Force saves their skin time and again of course, so I guess I can't blame them for being too cocky and overreliant on it (and that armor doesn't really protect you much anyway in Star Wars, but it's not like they couldn't afford it!).
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Like in a REAL fight, if fear grips the enemy they can be reduced in effectiveness, why does Dooku tell Grievous with no force powers to use this as a weapon, if you have been in a real fight you would know.
I've never been in a fight with somebody who had force powers, this is true. I'm sure I can say with 100% certainty you haven't either.
But fighting somebody who lacks the Force and you have it, is like having somebody with a loaded machine gun fighting somebody with no weapons whatsoever. Okay, yeah, the machinegunner could lose the fight if they're an idiot (ie: under ideal circumstances in the other person's favor), but it's not likely to happen.
Psychological stuff is important sure, but it can't make up for vast differences in power in all cases. It's true that when Grievious gets pissed off he fights better, but it also makes him make mistakes (like picking up the staff instead of his gun to finish Kenobi off after his lucky throw).
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The force when it comes to lightsaber combat is the power of focus and near predestination, Obi-Wan is powerfull and does not give in to the weakness of fear and defeats Greivous as Windu or some more powerful jedi or sith would have.
That is precisely my point. Obi-Wan has precognition. Grevious does not. All the Jedi whom Grevious supposedly fought also have precognition, so they should all be ahead of him in combat lightsaber prowess by default. I have no trouble believing that Grevious could slaughter a normal person. But casually slaughtering Jedi Masters in personal combat? No way.
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Remember, only the possible is possible, jedi are not invincable...they just know where blaster shots are going to be before the trigger is squeezed, if we can conclude that light moves at the speed of light.
We can't conclude they move at the speed of light. If they did, we wouldn't see them as individual bolts. Also we wouldn't see Gungans (we have no indication they have Force abilities) intercept bolts with handheld shields either. I'm not saying the Jedi can move at the speed of light, but we do know they are capable of moving faster than normal people! Their abilities extend far beyond mere precognition, obviously.
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Physically Grievous is stronger than any biological being, however that doesn't mean that the right swing at the right time cannot land. Most jedi are not strongest with the lightsaber, most are skilled diplomats, right?
Unfortunately the Jedi he's fought and even the ones he's supposedly killed were all considered expert at saber fighting AND force abilities. It's not like he was slaughtering younglings and librarians!
Seriously, if the Clone Wars Season 2 and 3 were never made, I'd have laughed off anyone who said Grievous killed Jedi in hand to hand combat. As it is I'm forced to conclude that the CW is just an exaggerated version of history seen through the eyes of a child recalling events that were distorted by his or her imagination. In any case, the movies are higher canon and tell a different story of the character. If we take the Clone Wars literally, we're to assume that Grievous became cowardly because of one speech by Dooku and suddenly lost his fighting ability because of Mace Windu's crushing his chest (which didn't show any damage and couldn't be repaired). OR, we're to assume that all the Jedi are chumps except for Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan and Anakin.
On the ROTS DVD it's made clear that Lucas's vision of the General is nothing like what we're given in the Clone Wars cartoon.
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Anakin kills Dooku, Dooku defeats Obi... based on metachlorian count that cannot be, have a canon in the same film?
No, anything can happen...even in the SW universe
I never said midichlorian counts had anything to do with fighting prowess. It's just a stretch that somebody with no resistance to the Force whatosever can regularly make chumps out of people who are known for combat prowess that is augmented by the Force... and we're supposed to swallow this when we have NO evidence whatsoever in the highest canon source for this claim.
Okay, we have one piece of evidence from the film, that he collects lightsabers. It's hardly conclusive however, like Shaak Ti's alternate death scene in the ROTS Deleted scenes... we need not assume that he had to actually kill these Jedi in single combat every time to obtain his "trophies."
Lucas's story is what it is, I'm just talking about a piece of the EU that just doesn't quite fit with movie canon. I'm sure the creators of CW were obligated to play up the new villian, it's just that it didn't turn out that way. You can see it as part of the general level of exaggeration in the series (Mace Windu suddenly being able to destroy an entire Droid army by himself), but there you go.
This post has been edited by KurganX: 27 November 2005 - 07:58 AM