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Virgin Mary sighted. Go stare at the Sun

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 07:36 PM

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50 people looking for solar image of Mary lose sight

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 08:55 IST

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: At least 50 people in Kottayam district have reportedly lost their vision after gazing at the sun looking for an image of Virgin Mary.

Though alarmed health authorities have installed a signboard to counter the rumour that a solar image of Virgin Mary appeared to the believers, curious onlookers, including foreign travellers, have been thronging the venue of the ‘miracle’.

St Joseph’s ENT and Eye Hospital in Kanjirappally alone has recorded 48 cases of vision loss due to photochemical burns on the retina. “All our patients have similar history and symptoms. The damage is to the macula, the most sensitive part of retina. They have developed photochemical, not thermal, burns after continuously gazing at the sun,” Dr Annamma James Isaac, the hospital’s ophthalmologist, said.

The hospital has been receiving patients with these abnormal symptoms since Friday. When the doctors found a pattern in the case sheets, they reported it to the district medical officer.

The health department has now put up a signboard at the hotelier’s house near Erumeli, where the divine image is said to have appeared, warning people against exposing their eyes to sunlight.

Even the churches in the vicinity disowned the miracle during Sunday mass after health officers and doctors approached the clergy. The house in question has been the centre of local rumours for a few months. The hotelier, who has since moved to another house, had claimed that statues of Mother Mary in his house have been crying honey and bleeding oil and perfumes.

Though people have been flocking to the “blessed land” - hastily christened Rosa Mystica Mountain - for long, the mad rush for the image in the sky began a week ago.

There are quite a few people still seeking the miracle, despite the experiences of their unfortunate predecessors and strict health warnings against gazing at the sun with the naked eye.

“The patients show varying degrees of severity. They are mostly girls in 12-26 age group. Our youngest patient is 12 and the oldest 60. Most of them were looking at the sun between 2 and 4 pm, when UV1 and UV2 rays are harshest,” Dr James Isaac said. He added that they could identify the problem as solar retinopathy because they were aware of the local sensation.

“Most patients may hopefully improve their vision. But there may be long-term effects on the retina,” he added.

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Alright...

Let's talk about these "miracles" for a second in general...

I mean even if you believe everything in the bible surely these images conflict with any biblical miracles?

Let's say God was trying to prove his existence, despite saying that he wanted everyone just to believe and have faith in him, what possible purpose does visual manifestations of his ex-wife/surrogate have? This is a far cry from parting the sea to let the Jews escape the Egyptians, or turning water into wine or indeed an entire river into blood, or indeed flooding the fucking earth to purge assholes.

Seriously... had God gotten old and lazy? Making an image that vaguely looks like Jesus’ mom appear in rocks, food, and coffee stains? Even a bleeding fucking statue? "Look Mary is bleeding from her hands, it's a miracle." I'll say... she was never even crucified. Doesn’t sound like the work of someone with a halfway decent memory biblical history.

If you want to believe in God that's fine, but come on... Is a god that puts so little effort in his miracles worth your adoration? I think not. If anything wouldn’t make more sense to believe these cheap tricks are the work of the devil, luring you into the wrong religion?

Having said that, however, staring into the sun is a whole other kettle of stupid.



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Posted 10 April 2008 - 07:46 PM

This kind of thing happens in poor countries all the time. I feel like people are just desperate for some sort of sign there, since their existence is so... I dunno. If you were to search you'd see millions of these kinds of claims, I'd guess 90% in poorer or oppressed countries, and happening all throughout history.
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Posted 10 April 2008 - 10:27 PM



When does gazing into the sun
ever sound like a good idea
miracle or not



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Posted 10 April 2008 - 10:52 PM

If I was God I would totally put an image of the Virgin Mary or Jesus Christ on the surface of the Sun so as to blind people.
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
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Posted 10 April 2008 - 11:46 PM

If I were God I'd show up in bodily form, rain hot buttered popcorn on the grand canyon until it was full to the top, levitate Coney Island, and then when everyone was for sure there was no shit to any of it, I'd say "Ok, you have 30 years to start a colony on Mars or you are all fucked. And if I get a whiff of slave labour, you're gonna be feeling invisible hands squeezing on your eyeballs."

I'd be one of the fun Gods.

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 09:17 AM

The funny thing about the whole thing is that you're not supposed to worship idols (word from God here!).

So why would he come down and start flashing around images of Mary... evoking idol worship?

Being a god would be interesting. I'd start collecting sponsorships. Pay Day, the official candy bar of God! Not like I would need money, I just wanna see that printed on stuff. Especially oddball products.

American Standard, the official toilet of God!

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE (reiner @ Apr 12 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The funny thing about the whole thing is that you're not supposed to worship idols (word from God here!).

So why would he come down and start flashing around images of Mary... evoking idol worship?


I would bet that those who stared into the sun to see the Virgin Mary are probably illiterate.
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 09:43 AM

If they weren't before, they are now.
"I can't read"
"You never learned how to read? So sad!"
"No, I stared at the sun for an hour and a half."
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:00 AM

^ I LOL'D
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 12:17 PM

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The funny thing about the whole thing is that you're not supposed to worship idols (word from God here!).

So why would he come down and start flashing around images of Mary... evoking idol worship?


You're also not supposed to eat shellfish, but Christians don't have a problem with that either. They invented some story in the book of Acts about Peter having a secret dream where God told him it was ok. Christians make up stuff to evolve their religion all the time. The Catholics like to invent stories about Mary sightings.

On the "idol" thing, the Catholics don't worhip Mary. Catholicism doesn't hold Mary "before" God, so that whole "No other Gods (they don't see her as a God) before me (they don't hold her ahead of God)" isn't a problem.

That whole "Idol worship" thing is silly and troublesome. Some took it to mean that God would allow no graven images of any kind, even of himself, lest the image itself were to become the subject of the worship. Called "Iconoclasts" by some, these folks destroyed statues and eventually also paintings and etchings, etc that had divine content. This difference in philosophy was the source of one of the many great schisms in Christian history.

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 02:36 PM

i learned something today! thanks civ
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Posted 12 April 2008 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Apr 11 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the "idol" thing, the Catholics don't worhip Mary. Catholicism doesn't hold Mary "before" God, so that whole "No other Gods (they don't see her as a God) before me (they don't hold her ahead of God)" isn't a problem.


She may not be as important,
but they put her on just as high a pedestal
As the mother of part of the Holy Trinity

Mary is the only female prodominantly prayed to.
Think about it on the rosary you
say 1 Our Father's for every 10 Hail Mary's

I have also heard that aside fom Jesus and Elijah
she is the only person to be taken to heaven body and soul
If thats not being held like unto godliness, then. . . .


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Posted 13 April 2008 - 12:12 AM

Hey, if people believe it happened, then they believe it happened. But as far as I know, folks don't think Elijah is a God, so then the same people must not think Mary is a God.

I don't understand the Catholic church's reverence of Mary, but all you need to do is to look at the prayers you mentioned, bnoth of which are derived from Biblical writings. the "Our Father" is a direct appeal to God to feed and help and forgive the supplicant. the "Hail Mary" follows a lot of praise with a request for intercession. Mary herself is not asked to do anything, apart from pray for sinners. The whole "Mother of God" business is probably a remnant of some pagan mother-goddess, one of many tribal religions absorbed into Catolicism as it developed from Jewish sect to Roman cult to world religion. But don't quote me on that last bit because honestly I have no idea.

For the record though I don't believe Mary went bodily into heaven. I also don't believe that anyone has come back from the dead to preach love and the resurection of the body and life everlasting.
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Apr 13 2008, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The whole "Mother of God" business is probably a remnant of some pagan mother-goddess, one of many tribal religions absorbed into Catolicism as it developed from Jewish sect to Roman cult to world religion. But don't quote me on that last bit because honestly I have no idea.


She birthed Jesus. According to the idea of the Holy Trinity, that would mean she was God's mother, since Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are all one being.
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 12:20 PM

Except that Jesus is supposed to have been Eternal, so his birth wouldnb't have been his creation. Another way to have looked at that event would be simply that Mary was a vessel by which he came into the world, and her significance might have been little beyond that. That seems to be how a load of Christians see it, but not how the Catholics do.
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