QUOTE (Revan-47 @ Jun 28 2005, 06:21 PM)
Actually if you knew anything about christianity you would know that the bible as well as jesus taught that good works dont get you to heaven.
That's pretty debatable. If you feel like it, we can move to the debate forum and bicker a little. Quotation vs quotation. PRECISE arguments. I'll ask one of our kind mods to move this to the debate forum, or we can start a new thread? What say you?
As you can see, posting one or two paragraphs will not even scratch the surface of the problem. Civ mentioned that the greatest problem which arose in 16th century hasn't been yet resolved. There are other issues between branches of christianity which arose because Bible can be interpreted, or worse, there are contradicting statements in the Bible. Bible is about 1000 pages long, and you will find plenty of contradictions there, or even factual falsehoods.
I have been always curious how can people refer to "bible" to justify their opinions. Which bits of the Bible, precisely? Those that teach you not to touch menstruating women because they are "unclean"? Those bits that describe how Jew first made the tribe who wanted to join them to get circumcised, and then when mew were down with fewer, slaughtered them all? Bits which tell openly that slavery is permitted? Bits that state openly that a wife is nothing more than "a property" of a husband?
I am also curious why do you say "bible as well as jesus". I assume by Bible you mean OT anf by Jesus NT, right? Bear in mind, that the REAL teachings of Jesus reach us only through relations of people who may or may not have been eyewitnesses, and here are plenty of contradictions between so called "evangelists" The rest of the teachings is mostly St Paul's without whom christianity would fall into oblivion.
QUOTE (Revan-47 @ Jun 28 2005, 06:21 PM)
it is merely by accepting christ as yur savior.and i never once said yur life was empty, i said that i felt my life was fullfilled because i was a christian. you need to stop misunderstanding what i say. i dont judge people. its that kind of judgement that almost drove me away from religion altogether. i have always been just as good as a person as i am now.
Then it is even "curiouser and curiouser" Merely accepting Jesus as your saviour that makes you happy? How about people who never heard about Jesus (BTW, that's another debatable issue for Christians - what about heathens who never heard about Him as a saviour?)
As you see, the issue is not really that simple. I am by no means judging you, I am asking questions. You seem to be offended by them.
Which reminds me of another thing. Christianity flourished on the ruins of Greek civilisation of philosophy. "Love of wisdom" was replaced by gnosticism - critical minds, who asked questions about the world were despised. There are many quotes from NT which says so. It has always bothered me, that I had to forfeit my reason in order to get eternal bliss.