After quite a long time though, before the going of the insaneness bit. This is like breaking their mind without causing any physical harm or having to inflict anything upon anyone else. It would probably be pretty cost effective
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How about a slow-going, long-lasting version of electric shock therapy? You might get used to it after awihle though.