Young Generation Likes Prequels better than OT What's happening to our generation?
#2
Posted 12 June 2005 - 09:48 PM
''The new ones because they have better effects and more action than the old ones''.
I like the prequels but they cannot be compared with the OT.
#3
Posted 13 June 2005 - 01:14 AM
#4
Posted 13 June 2005 - 01:26 AM
The difference here is that he is not a Star Wars fan (in the sense of "fanatic") -- he did not see the OT as a child and only saw it *after* Episode I. He has no preconceived notions about how the prequels should be.
I have always felt that there is a "magical" quality about the OT that makes it better (alot better) than the PT. But I cannot express it in words. I suppose it's the chemistry of the cast, which gives it a human warmth that the PT seems to lack. But I find it very hard to shake the feeling that my fondness for the OT may simply be a feeling of nostalgia that ripples through me upon seeing those movies again.
(I copy-pasted the above from another post I had made, simply because I don't feel like putting it in different words. My old roomate is actually slightly older than I am, probably 23 or 24. Pretty crazy, huh?)
#5
Posted 13 June 2005 - 05:25 AM
The big suprise is how bad Lucas split the community. You have haters and lovers. Bashers and Gushers.
That is the shock. As of TPM, the Star Wars apoligetic was born. Prior to TPM, I think the only real issue that divided fans was ROTJ. But it's been dwarfed by the magnitude of the PT fiasco.
Seriously, can you think of any other epic film or novel that has such a large community? And one so divided?
30 years from now we'll tell our grand kids how the PT divided the fan base, and we'll explain why we chose the side we did.
#6
Posted 14 June 2005 - 11:30 AM
Even I intend to forget about the whole ordeal myself... aftr I've gotten Episode III on video and have my movie marathon that I've been talking about for years. I never watched it in the movies because I thought I would save money this way and have less anxiety over the whole thing.
I went to a local Virgin Megastore nearby a few days back and asked them when Episode III is coming out on video. He said it was going to come in three months or so. I guess there's nothing I can do but wait for it and just concentrate on what's going on now.
#7
Posted 17 June 2005 - 10:09 AM
ANH and ESB do look a little dated now in comparison (although not as much as other movies of that era) but that shouldn't necessarily be regarded as a bad thing.
#8
Posted 17 June 2005 - 11:08 AM
I think that's easy to understand... today's youth (not that I'm ancient, but ok) is a generation living, casually, with powerful computers, graphically and musically gorgeous video games, amazing video clips, cgi in every other movie!
I grew up playing crappy computer games (anyone remembers the 48k spectrum???) - although they did seemed amazing at the time. I got my first computer when I was 7, which would be about a year before ESB came out in my country... of course it looked fantastic! It was. Now it's just an excellent, if obviously dated, movie / trilogy.
Do you really expect a generation of kids who have fabulous games and movies - everytime i go to my 15-year old cousin's house I get baffled by the Xbox games he's playing - will prefer the OT to the PT?
No way. It's too slow for them, it's too retro.
Just my 2 cents.
Isaac Asimov
#10
Posted 17 June 2005 - 05:11 PM
Argument effectively destroyed, commander!
Here we got a saying that goes, roughly translated: "The exception makes the rule". Don't know if you've got it there - or something alike.
Meaning things aren't either made of 0's or either made of 1's... BUT, if you need to generalize for the sake of an argument, well... that's pretty it.
And man, my english vocabulary is giving me troubles. And the grammar. And the... oh, whatever.
Isaac Asimov
#11
Posted 17 June 2005 - 06:19 PM
Argument effectively destroyed, commander!
I'm sure that's true FD. But unfortunately the majority of your age group wouldn't have that taste. I guess its up to you to carry the message of the OT forward.
You don't happen to have a twin sister do you........?!!
#12
Posted 17 June 2005 - 06:28 PM
I'm 23, I was alive but too young to remember ESB and ROTJ. I watched them some time in the late eighties and early 90's. I loved them.
I watched the TPM when I was in grade 12, 1999, so I was 18 years of age. I left the cinema feeling cheated and betrayed. I hated the film. I was not able to convince myself otherwise.
Lucas is full of shit. I've heard him say "we have two kinds of fans, under 25 and over 25" He goes on about under 25 love the PT and over 25 hate it.
I think really young kids, like 8 or 9, enjoyed the PT's. They don't care about story, plot, or acting. They just want to see CG and action. But as they get older I'm sure they'll look back at the PT as slightly camp and boring.
I've already stated that CG does not stand the test of time. Not like the models in the older films. Think about it. Jurassic Park, Terminator, Abyss. All these films look dated now. So when the CG looses it's appeal, the grown up kids who loved the PT will only see it as some kind of action adventure, not a brilliant epic.
I loved willow. I Loved SW. I saw both of them around the same time. I bought willow on DVD, I tried to convince myself that I still loved it and thought it as quality. But after awhile I could no longer do it, the film is just not as great as I once thought. I have a soft spot for it since I really did enjoy it at one point, but alas, no longer is that true. I still love SW.
I think the younger generations will embrace the film less an less as their tastes expand and so forth.
#13
Posted 17 June 2005 - 09:31 PM
The effects are the last thing you should judge a film on - effects are used to bring about the suspension of disbelief integral to filmmaking, the best effects are the ones you never even see or realise they are effects - Whenever I see the sandcrawler or the Executor I think - there is the sandcrawler, there is the Executor... when I see Anakin's fall from the speeder in AOTC I think - well they've got Hayden dangling on wires over a blue screen and they've filled in a computer image to create the image of Anakin falling from a speeder.
While say - Batman or Terminator occasionally has problems with outdated effects - the stop-motion animation of the Terminator chassis at the end of the movie and Gotham City issues with the integration of the miniature with the set and gradually the films impact lessens you can still enjoy the movie and the story... TPM's effects are dated now - the integrations are poorly done, the images lack the texture of 'real' things but once that goes all thats left is the story and the schmacting.
Eventually very few people will enjoy the prequels as the effects fade in comparison to other movies out there - even on an effects standard Attack of the Clones is no match for The Lord of the Rings... compare Yoda to Gollum - where Yoda has limited facial expressions, obviously artificial response to light and darkness and is badly integrated into the scenery, Gollum looks extraordinarily genuine, particularly under natural light.
#14
Posted 17 June 2005 - 10:48 PM
Meaning things aren't either made of 0's or either made of 1's... BUT, if you need to generalize for the sake of an argument, well... that's pretty it.
And man, my english vocabulary is giving me troubles. And the grammar. And the... oh, whatever.
Me generalize? I know, but you set the generalization rules yourslef by stating:
""""Do you really expect a generation of kids who have fabulous games and movies - everytime i go to my 15-year old cousin's house I get baffled by the Xbox games he's playing - will prefer the OT to the PT?
No way. It's too slow for them, it's too retro.""""
That is defenitely generalization. You're saying that all 15-year-olds prefer effects to plot.
On a side note: I love Deus Ex. From 2000, it's graphics fit every description of the word "dated". But the story's so compelling it just makes me want to finish. When was the last time you played a game that involved AI programs, a plot to take over the world by undermining it's governments, Area 51, and the Illuminati?
#15
Posted 17 June 2005 - 11:08 PM
I'm 23, I was alive but too young to remember ESB and ROTJ. I watched them some time in the late eighties and early 90's. I loved them.
I watched the TPM when I was in grade 12, 1999, so I was 18 years of age. I left the cinema feeling cheated and betrayed. I hated the film. I was not able to convince myself otherwise.
Lucas is full of shit. I've heard him say "we have two kinds of fans, under 25 and over 25" He goes on about under 25 love the PT and over 25 hate it.
I think really young kids, like 8 or 9, enjoyed the PT's. They don't care about story, plot, or acting. They just want to see CG and action. But as they get older I'm sure they'll look back at the PT as slightly camp and boring.
I've already stated that CG does not stand the test of time. Not like the models in the older films. Think about it. Jurassic Park, Terminator, Abyss. All these films look dated now. So when the CG looses it's appeal, the grown up kids who loved the PT will only see it as some kind of action adventure, not a brilliant epic.
I loved willow. I Loved SW. I saw both of them around the same time. I bought willow on DVD, I tried to convince myself that I still loved it and thought it as quality. But after awhile I could no longer do it, the film is just not as great as I once thought. I have a soft spot for it since I really did enjoy it at one point, but alas, no longer is that true. I still love SW.
I think the younger generations will embrace the film less an less as their tastes expand and so forth.
Jurrasic Park and Terminator lost their appeal? Are you sure? I can personally attest to still loving Jurrasic Park; its very well done movie plot, character, and even special effects wise, to this day. I think its probably one of the better examples of the use of cgi being incorporated nearly seemlessly with robitcs, or what have you, and live action. And terminator, while not my favorite film, is kind of still a well respected movie among the kind of people that like and appretiate good action sci fi I think.