[Deepsycher]

Recently I had problems finding clothes. Not because I am overweight but because of leg size and the crotch size. Some places do have measurements for waste but that is dictated to the crotch size and leg size. So what I see: the larger the waist, the longer the legs the larger the crotch.

All the shops apart from one were selling the same clothes with either a trouser with the correct waist and leg size but incorrect crotch size or a trouser with the correct crotch size but a waist size that is too wide and a leg size that is too long to fit me.

Compared to years ago the shops then had a large part for fashion and they had a small part for other clothes that fitted people like me. Now that part does not seem to exist.

I took notice:

Most of these local sport shops are now operated by Africans which could explain why they import taller trousers with smaller crotches; the problem is that most of these clothes have these odd patterns like it has been vandalized from the outside. The cotton trousers which I like had nylon coming out of nowhere in the legs. That is clearly an insult to say that it is cotton when they hide nylon inside the legs. The ones with the holes inside were too thin and felt like plastic. I disliked all those pretty little pointless patterns on, and so annoying with the strings behind and advertisements in front.

I went to a changing room into one of these African run sports shop but I refused to get changed in there as they have a heart shaped door so everyone can see the bottom sides of you whilst you get changed. It was a joke after discovering that most of the trousers not only didn't appeal to me but the quality was terrible by using glue instead of threads. I let the shopkeeper know that their fashionable clothing doesn't suit everybody.

Luckily that one sports shop with no Africans, no loud music or no trendy decorations had the trousers I wanted which fitted perfectly. Plain and simple. I heard they have a bad reputation for cheap clothing but for what? What I brought there today was reasonably priced, well adjustable, more choice of sizes and the materials looked solid inside compared to what those Africans were monopolizing on. My next challenge is finding a jumper that is comfortable.

It is as if the manufactures are too obsessed in fashionable decorations to actually think about the sizes of the people who are going to wear their clothes, or a group of foreign people dominating the sport shops and selling clothes that only suite their own size and taste.


Who agrees that fashion is going too far in this case in that it doesn't fit or suit everyone despite the limited choices?

[Cyzyk]

I hate shopping for clothes. Here's my problem- I'm 6'5", 130 lbs, and my arms are about four inches longer than they ought to be (IE in proportion to my height). This makes finding long enough pants that aren't too big in the waist or shirt sleeves that actually reach my wrists nearly impossible unless I feel like paying lots of money. Which I don't.

[Kirby]

Luckily for me my leg size is quite popular. So popular in fact that at certain times of the year (back to school/christmas) it tends to sell out if I don't act fast. Also, the med sized shirts tend to produce a fitted effect that makes it look as they were all tailor made for me. So, finding good clothes that fit are not a problem.

It's your second question that I always find a problem. I HATE having to wear, let alone pay for, something that only has the company's tacky, god aweful logo on it. If you walk into any highschool you'll see the kids in their so caught up in brand loyalty and corperate compliance that they might as well be branding them with irons.

Thankfully I have a tendancy to wear button down shirts, so that's not too much of a problem. Jeans, well the knock-off oriental place that I go to just have the logos sewn on a patch where the belt area would cover it up.

I don't fully understand your first question though DS. What do you mean by too far?

[Slade]

I, too, despise how people willingly submit to being free billboards for companys, whether clothing or not. And some then even feel like it's some sort of status symbol that says something other than "You're so shallow that you need to show off your brand of clothing in order to achieve an identity."

I don't have much trouble finding fitting pants, though for fitted suits/shirts, it's a little rough because I have broad shoulders and a broad chest. My girlfriend has lots of trouble with pants, because clothing designers don't think that a girl with her waist size is allowed to have any butt. (Totally NOT true! )

[Gobbler]

Absolutely not true. Even though I don't really like to jump on such bandwagons, I have to say that I kind of dislike nowadays fashion-sense, too.

I go to town, hoping to see some radiant beauties and maybe some inspiration for some pretty pictures and what do I get? The same blondes everywhere. Seriously, I'm having problems with distinguishing them, they all look the same. Clothes, style, make-up, hair - same. Yuck.

Edit: Then again, if one of those radiant beauties finally appears, it makes her shine even more... hmm...

This post has been edited by Gobbler: 18 August 2006 - 07:55 AM

[Deepsycher]

Kirby - By taking something too far means to go over the top with something or to over develop something too much without consideration of the users wearing it in that it doesn't suit or fit.

It is like over decorating a cake and putting so much inside that I could loose the original taste I intended.

I see plenty of pictures of ladies on the photos trying to make sheep out of people as a joke.

There are plenty of billboards round my corner, they are so taken up in their world of fashion that they become victims to aggressive advertising and they would even steal for it.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 18 August 2006 - 08:11 AM

[Vesuvius]

I agree with this thread. I am still in the process in finding karate pants with pockets (someone does make them, somewhere!) I'll go to a local arts & craft store just to buy the solid color t-shirts. There are no logos on them, no decorations, nothing. They just fit and serve purppose. As for simple pants, it's a bit tougher to find. If I do buy some pants that are tainted with logos, I'll take out the ol' X-acto knife and carfully cut away all that commercial trash. I did the same with my (Jansport) backpack as well.

Frankly, I am fed up with all the logos. I just want simple pants.

[Deepsycher]

The reason why I was desparate is because my last two trousers are wearing out after 2- 4 years of usage. It has been stitched twice. Most importantly there are comfortable. Another one is so torn that it is beyond repair.

Now people are calling me a tramp and a pauper due to the way I dress. I said they should go down the towns and pubs at night and see the clothes they wear, some wear torn up jeans.

You have given me an idea. I went to Canada eight years ago the family there criticised my clothes. They described me as difficult, fussy and someone there called me a jolly green giant for the green jogging trouser and top I was wearing. So they brought me a huge collection of designer clothes which I still have stored away, neck size is too small with the pattern collar, and some have logos on it. Now I can either take the risk to remove the logos myself or I can pay someone who is good at that.

For karate do you mean for clothes like these?

http://www.discountm...rheavweig1.html

To me they look like pyjamas. The sort of clothes I use for sleeping in apart from the shirt but a bit thicker.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 18 August 2006 - 02:16 PM

[Jordan]

I buy all my clothes once a year at a trendy outlet in yaletown, Vancouver.

They sell like promo shit and most of the logos are small time companies from italy, russia, and other European places.

I also support quicksilver (have since I was 8) and some other clothing companies.

In most clothing lines, the cheap shit clothes has the logos, the nice stuff keeps it low key.

I've never actually had a problem with finding logo-free clothing that looks good. You guys are not searching in the right places. Try avoiding nike town and walmart for starters ROFL>

Who agrees that fashion is going too far in this case in that it doesn't fit or suit everyone despite the limited choices?

Not at all, fashion is huge and very diverse. They're not making things that only fit one kind of person or so out of this world that only a few could fit into it. To me it makes just as much sense to say that restaurants don't suit everyone and there are limited choices on where to eat.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 18 August 2006 - 02:33 PM

[Deepsycher]

I buy all my clothes once a year at a trendy outlet in yaletown, Vancouver.

They sell like promo shit and most of the logos are small time companies from italy, russia, and other European places.

I also support quicksilver (have since I was 8) and some other clothing companies.

In most clothing lines, the cheap shit clothes has the logos, the nice stuff keeps it low key.

If I could do that on finding something that fits with little logos, I wouldn't be mentioning this.

I've never actually had a problem with finding logo-free clothing that looks good. You guys are not searching in the right places. Try avoiding nike town and walmart for starters ROFL>

That is a point on knowing where to look but I don't look into food shopping stores or to buy cheap. There are some sites I have been considering for some time, they cost around $120 dollars I think for 100% cotten trousers but I have yet to ask about the dimensions.

Not at all, fashion is huge and very diverse. They're not making things that only fit one kind of person or so out of this world that only a few could fit into it. To me it makes just as much sense to say that restaurants don't suit everyone and there are limited choices on where to eat.

I mean for places that are dominated by the same size, type and brand of clothing in most or all the shops. It has been difficult for me to find clothing and when I find them they are usually on sale or sold for a limited time by a store that is about to be closed down. This particular store has recently opened up and they have branches in other places for years, even though they have a bad reputation by other people I got what wanted.

I know fashion varies in other countries but in my place they monopolize everywhere I been to. They sell other country's clothes very cheaply for one to three fixed sizes excluding the crotch in my case.

I have nothing against fashion (other than the adverts and quality) but I am against when they flood the market of the same restricted choice of items or when there is a monopoly to force people to only wear what they want to wear but that won't be me.

Talking of restaurants, I found a cake shop that recently opened up about a year ago.
They sell their own food which is hand made, like my birthday cake with proper ingredients and no chemicals.

I never had much cakes before either because like you say I didn't know where to look or who to phone up, maybe there is one but far away. Now it is very packed in there on Saturdays and the food and cakes go really quickly. So I have to order mine.

But to consider I don't ever remember any cake shop I been to selling chocolate eclairs with chocolate inside that does not get all over my face and makes me feel ill after.

Before that opened up, I had two choices. (1) Everywhere I went they sold the same cream eclairs all over, which they imported to sell very cheaply and they still do. That is the reality I am talking about.

(2) Or I can learn to make my own.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 18 August 2006 - 03:23 PM

[Spoon Poetic]

Not at all, fashion is huge and very diverse. They're not making things that only fit one kind of person or so out of this world that only a few could fit into it. To me it makes just as much sense to say that restaurants don't suit everyone and there are limited choices on where to eat.

The only clothes that I can find that actually fit the way I want them to... Oh wait, they don't fit the way I want them to. I have the same problem as Slade's girlfriend. I have a small waist, and a bigger booty. But all the pants with the correct waist size have no room for my butt, and all the pants that will fit my butt have huge waists, so I have to wear belts that make the waistline all bunchy and uncomfortable as well as not very attractive. And there are only two types of pants to choose from - two extremes: skin tight, which is only appropriate for some occassions and also just plain not very comfortable (especially with this new trend of making the crotches really tight, too); or bondage-pants baggy. I rarely find pants that fit me how I like, and then they're WAY expensive and ugly to boot.

I don't have a problem with getting shirts that fit, though.

Also, the styles available to choose from don't vary much. You have your popular what's-in-style at the moment (which would be late 70's, early 80's), you have your standard I-don't-give-a-crap sweatsuits and teeshirts, or you can go to Hot Topic and be punk. I really don't agree with Jordan's statement that there is variety. Since I can't travel all over the world just to go to a few good special stores, and I'm not willing to spend $150 for one shirt, I'm stuck with this.

[Vesuvius]

Thank you, Deepsycher, but I'm still waiting for a local martial arts store to get their shipment of uniforms in. They will allow me to buy just the pants if I want. I was even really close to buying nothing but hakama (Japanese trousers worn by samurai) but each pair is around $60 and up, way up! And if people saw me wearing those casually, then they would be obliged by their foolishness to start something with me.... and I really hate all the paperwork.

I'll keep searching for the pants with pockets however. Thank you again.

[Spoon Poetic]

Why do you want karate pants with pockets in them? I am a martial artist myself, and I can't imagine a use for pockets in training pants. Whatever you'd put in there would completely get in your way. Just gonna wear karate pants out and about, making a fashion statement or something?

[Emu]

my biggest problem with fashion is that the pockets on most girl-pants are totally unacceptable. if I want like a zillion things in my pockets (which I usually do) I have to deal with them bulging out oddly and being really uncomfortable when I sit down. I have only found one pair of pants which have decent pockets, and those were handed down to me from a girl who graduated and didn't wear them anymore. I have no idea where she got them, but they are awesome.

[Gobbler]

Yeah, pocket's rule... I think I've got a picture of me somewhere around here where I've managed to stuff eight beer bottles into my precious baggy pants... ah, good times...