Plausibility is Not LOVIBILITY Star Wars
#16
Posted 03 November 2003 - 12:59 PM
I would have sure like the fight scenes (sadly the best parts of the prequel movies in my opinion) better if they did seem like fights scenes. I started asking myself if they were coreographed by the illegitimate lovechild of of Wu Ping and Paula Abdul.
Attack of the Clones was SOOOO long. The movie dragged at so many points. The Phantom Menace was piss poor but Clones just would not end. The inclusion of the world's worst and most unbelievable love story certainly didn't help the matter.
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#17
Posted 05 November 2003 - 01:44 AM
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#18
Posted 05 November 2003 - 07:10 AM
I agree that ROTJ remains much better than EP 1 & 2. And I like the special edition version ending with the new new music and slightly altered editing. Unlike the PT, ROTJ still has the energetic flow of an adventure movie. Is it a result of the cast members which had such a nice onscreen rapport?
#19 Guest_Remotely Despondent_*
Posted 05 November 2003 - 10:27 AM
Firstly, the "classic trilogy" actors were humans. (even the muppets I suppose) Second, they'd been through thick and thin, hot and cold, and rose from relative obscurity.
the new breed had been preordained. These are your next heroes: accept them.
#20
Posted 05 November 2003 - 11:00 AM
Very well put.
Also, thank you Jordan. I take my art (read: complaining) very seriously (read: not actually that seriously at all). I thank you.
ROTJ isn't as bad as a lot of people say it is. I particularly like that the movie isn't really about Luke, Leia and Han it's about Vader. The scene when Luke says: "Then my father is truly dead." is brilliant. Luke walks away and Vader is left alone, looking out into the Endor forest. David Prowse (from beind Vader's mask) breaths more emotion into that one scene than Anakin has had in the entire Prequel trilogy so far.
Where has that level of quality gone?
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#22
Posted 06 November 2003 - 11:15 AM
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#24
Posted 07 November 2003 - 02:55 AM
Yes it is.
Sure, maybe it's not as bad as a lot of *other* people say it is, but it's certainly as bad as I say it is. The plot is identical to that of the first film. This is bad. Th final conflict is borrowed from the previous two films and meshed together uncomfortably into one confusing touchy-feely mess. And the resolution is bewildering. I don't know *anyone* who didn't walk away from that film wondering whether they'd just been asked to forgive Adolf Hitler.
Of course, the worst of it wasn't that Leia is Luke's sister (the shallowest possible payoff to the "there is another" statement that Lucas could possibly have written). Nor is it the army of teddy bears that take out the fully armoured Imperial stormtroopers by attacking them with sticks and rocks (a tactic the Britons tried against Imperial Rome, and failed at). No, the worst thing in the entire movie was the hole in the ground that burped when it ate Boba Fett. Two things that should never have been in the movie: the hole in the ground that burps; Boba Fett. They were both there because Lucas had no idea what his audience had liked about EMPIRE (Lucas has bad taste), and so he resorted to including things he thought might sell toys or be funny for kids. Second-guessing your audience is a sure sign you've given up.
The general failing of ROTJ: there is nothing in it to put it in the same series as EMPIRE, the film with the romance, the failure, the emotional investment (Chewbacca's howl when Han disappears into the night), the great little moments like Yoda looking down sadly as Luke enters the cave and Han complaining that he thought Tauntauns "smelled bad on the outside."
In the light of STAR WARS, JEDI is a second-rate knock-off. In the light of EMPIRE, JEDI is something from a different series altogether. It is the TEMPLE OF DOOM of the STAR WARS series, a triviality that isn't entirely awful but is certainly bad as a lot of people say it is.
Mike M.
#25
Posted 07 November 2003 - 09:20 PM
I still love how ROTJ wraps up the OT. And with the criticism that ROTJ is a cheap immitation of AHN, I can turn that around into saying that that is ROTJ’s biggest strength. ROTJ was the adventure fantasy that ANH was.
I can say this about the Star Wars films. At least SW is better in that it took GL five films to do what the Wachowsky brothers did with the Matrix in three. Kind of a sad state of affairs.
I still love what Civilian_Number_Two said in an earlier post: “Lucas has taken my childhood memories and kicked them in the nuts.” LOL
#26
Posted 04 December 2003 - 11:07 AM
remember in EMPIRE when c3po is lured into some room by a silver 3po droid "EE chu da" "how rude, that sounds like an artoo unit, hello?" and then is blasted to bits?
maybe anikan as darth created this other 3po droid to be bait for c3po. (he's a genius) or maybe it's a common droid model that anikan created from some kit like a snap-tite model. (he's not so smart, just a member of the lucky midiclorian club)
it still gets to me how Darth knew luke had the force with him at the DS battle, yet for all that time he was with his own force carrying daughter he was oblivious. I guess that's part of the I'm on the smart side of the force at the present time and I realize things/pendulum swing/I'm on the dumb side of the force and I'm clueless theory.
theory theatre. if SW hadn't outgrossed Jaws, nobody would give a damn right now.
#27
Posted 04 December 2003 - 04:32 PM
Ok next: Space Battle: The best space battle ever filmed that blows anything down before out of the water and is still better than anything since. The Falcon escaping the death star is a classic scene copied usually unsuccessfully by many other people in movies since. Period. Next: Music: Fabulous, the music for the Emperor's scenes is suitably eerie bringing a tension to the music not prevalent in the other movies (the Imperial March, though cool, is still just a march). The ewok music (not the Ewok battle music just the Ewok music) is I will admit probably the weakest theme in the trilogy, however the Battle of Endor music with the Ewoks is great, still using the theme but in a much more grandiose way. Music for the space battle touches upon old themes bringing a nice sense of continuity in the trilogy, while still providing new and exciting music. The music for where Luke burns Vader's armor (also one of the best scenes of the trilogy) is the most heart-wrenching and beautiful uses of the Force theme in the trilogy (yes even moreso than the binary sunset). And the new SE victory music, while not really as grandiose as it could have been, is still suitably beautiful and ends on a high note (literally and figuratively) which is a good lead-in to the credit music. Next: Overall plot: Fine. Not necessarily as inventive as the others, but logical, considering the fact that of course the Emperor would want to continue building a Death Star, most of all to show that though the rebellion destroyed it, he and his empire could just built another one stronger than the one before it. In Jabba's palace the creatures are extremely inventive (a couple a little too over-the-top, but for the most part very cool), and the battle is very well-done as well. The last 30 minutes shows some of the most intense movie-making ever, and while each individual plot may not have been that original (other than the emperor scenes), using them together like that was.
You also say you examine the movie afterwards to see if it met your standards intelectually. Well, as you see, Jedi did, moreso than the other two, and here's why. It was able to combine the happy-go-lucky nature of ANH that was lacking from ESB and the tension from ESB lacking from the adventure of ANH into one movie. That is why I love it, and why I will defend it to the last when people criticize it.
#29
Posted 04 December 2003 - 06:26 PM
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