[Paladin]

One little note I need to say on landing a giant spaceship alone. I personally think it is bad writing on part of Lucas, and I'll tell you why.

Piloting a giant ship is not something like driving a car or flying an airplane. There are many people who handel the operations and one person alone is not enough to make menuveres to land a huge ship at all. If it was a fighter plane, or just a simple ship that could be piloted by one person (like the falcon and many other ships) then it wouldn't be a big deal.

But I can see that it might take more than a dozen people or so to just make it go on simple routines. Doing emergancy landings is something else entirely.

Of course, you could say that he was using the force to take control of the other parts, but I seriously doubt that as well, seeing that he would have to know the controls of the ship inside out and require a lot of concentration and practice at it. The situation he was in would probably forbid that from happening.

Sorry, I agree with Chef on this one. We saw Mace cut off Fett's head in Clones, but we didn't get to see or hear the ker plunk so what makes you think we would hear Obi Wan's snapping bones in ROTS? This scene reminded me of when Padme fell at least 40 feet of that ship in Clones on to that hard sand. She was unconsious for about all of 40 seconds, and then jumped up running like an Olympic runner with no sign of concussion or injury. Oh and if that platform had cut off the circulation to Obi-Wan's legs, even if you are right and he would have regained it by the time he became conscious again, wouldn't you expect him to at least wobble abit when he got up and started walking again? I would, but then I am not George Lucas

And let's not forget the time when Padme jumped from a large column and landed on her crouch at the big bull-monster thing that Anakin was riding. That would hurt a lot, I assure you.

[snaithbert]

I don't mind hearing counter arguements to complaints about the PT, but what I do mind is when those arguements are all lame and poorly developed, etc.

The #1 thing I'm sick of hearing is people using the OT as a defense for the PT. Saying that something was equally bad in the OT is not a valid arguement for why something exists in the PT. That's just useless fingerpointing from people who have no real arguement, so they just start trying to divert attention away from the real issue. Pointing out the flaws in the OT as a way of excusing the flaws in the PT doesn't really cut much ice with me.

Frankly I'd like to hear (make that read) someone explain the flaws in the PT without reverting to "well in the OT..." every five seconds. Yeah, there were some flaws in that trilogy, but nothing compared to the new trilogy. Don't use that OT to explain the mistakes of the PT. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just give us your thoughts on the PT without tattling on the OT in the process. If you can't do it, then your arguements are weak in the first place and probably shouldn't even be made.

[Despondent]

About landing the ship, the ONE ship that we see use a runway. "We're getting faster Now" or some bs to explain, "hey, it's just like when entering Earth atmosphere."

But when ELSE do we ever see a craft descend at the proper angle so's they don't drop like a rock or skip off the atmosphere? And I'm sure there are navi-computers but if the whole planet is one city it must be hard to reckon where to put it down. However, the planet being One whole city I'm sure there are runways every few miles or so.

[Hari Seldon]

About landing the ship, the ONE ship that we see use a runway. "We're getting faster Now" or some bs to explain, "hey, it's just like when entering Earth atmosphere."

But when ELSE do we ever see a craft descend at the proper angle so's they don't drop like a rock or skip off the atmosphere? And I'm sure there are navi-computers but if the whole planet is one city it must be hard to reckon where to put it down. However, the planet being One whole city I'm sure there are runways every few miles or so.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's Trantor all over again, baby.

[Storm]

The #1 thing I'm sick of hearing is people using the OT as a defense for the PT. Saying that something was equally bad in the OT is not a valid arguement for why something exists in the PT.  That's just useless fingerpointing from people who have no real arguement, so they just start trying to divert attention away from the real issue. Pointing out the flaws in the OT as a way of excusing the flaws in the PT doesn't really cut much ice with me.

The OT trilogy set a standard for the prequels, thus you have to compare them to this standard. If you have ever written a paper, comparing and contrasting is a good method to present an argument.

I can admit that TPM and AOTC are bad movies, but not because of the flaws. The reason they are bad is because they are just boring. ROTS was not boring to watch at all.

A lot of people here need to try expanding their mind a bit. It's a lot easier for people to point their finger and judge the prequel trilogy, yet they are insecure about examining the flaws original trilogy.

This post has been edited by Storm: 16 June 2005 - 11:56 PM

[The Lord of Dorkness]

The reason they are bad is because they are just boring. ROTS was not boring to watch at all.

ROTS not boring to watch? What Universe do you live in? Personally, I think ROTS was the most painful experience I have ever had.

But then again, that's just my opinion....

[Dark_Sith]

ROTS not boring to watch? What Universe do you live in? Personally, I think ROTS was the most painful experience I have ever had.

But then again, that's just my opinion....

And it will only be YOUR opinion, not everyone else's, to the people who actually enjoyed the movie, such as myself.

This post has been edited by Dark_Sith: 17 June 2005 - 08:58 AM

[julie123]

ROTS not boring to watch? What Universe do you live in? Personally, I think ROTS was the most painful experience I have ever had.

But then again, that's just my opinion....

And it will only be YOUR opinion, not everyone else's, to the people who actually enjoyed the movie, such as myself.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Perhaps you and the people who liked ROTS can join a club and discuss how George Lucas is a master storyteller and so misunderstood, by those who consider ROTS to be ....

[Hari Seldon]

ROTS not boring to watch? What Universe do you live in? Personally, I think ROTS was the most painful experience I have ever had.

But then again, that's just my opinion....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well... let me put it this way.
Using my humongous midi-chlorians count, I sensed that TPM would be a bit of a baaaad movie, and I watched it on dvd. I fell asleep (maybe partly due to the fact I was, at the same time, snuggling with my g-friend). Later, I saw it on tv, where it deserved (?) to be seen.

As for AOTC, I did heard about it, but I let it pass. So, I watched it on tv, along with the 1st one, in one of those marathons tv promotes when the *other* and *final* movie is about to come out.

Sooooo, I saw RotS at the cinema, and... I didn't fall asleep! (no snuggling either).

Concluding: it was the least boring of the pack.

Still crap, if you ask me.

[Jordan]

All these arguments are suppose to take place under the 91 REASONS thread.

And no ROTS was not boring.

Phantom Menace - Useless

Attack of the Clones- Boring

Return of the Sith - fucking stupid


That is the break down.

ROTS was ridiculous. The acting was the worst, the story was embarrising, eveything felt force and contrived, the action was all throw away crap. Wookies? Chewbacca? That was about as important as the Kamino Mystery in AOTC. Useless crap.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 18 June 2005 - 01:48 PM

[Paladin]

All these arguments are suppose to take place under the 91 REASONS thread.

And no ROTS was not boring.

Phantom Menace - Useless

Attack of the Clones- Boring

Return of the Sith - fucking stupid


That is the break down.

ROTS was ridiculous. The acting was the worst, the story was embarrising, eveything felt force and contrived, the action was all throw away crap. Wookies? Chewbacca? That was about as important as the Kamino Mystery in AOTC. Useless crap.

While I still haven't watched ROTS yet, my question as to whether it is stupid or not has been fully satisifed already.

My only hope is, just HOW stupid it is...

Just a question. How much does Anakin bitch and cry i nthe movie? And does he throw tantrums like he did in the last?

[Storm]

While I still haven't watched ROTS yet, my question as to whether it is stupid or not has been fully satisifed already.

My only hope is, just HOW stupid it is...

Just a question. How much does Anakin bitch and cry i nthe movie? And does he throw tantrums like he did in the last?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There's one part where Anakin gets upset because he is not given the rank of a Jedi Master for being on the Jedi Council, but aside from that he handles himself well.

[Jordan]

NO he doesn't. But it's not Hayden's fault.

Paladin, the scene were he commits to Sidious is so rushed and poorly delivered that as the scene is playing before your eyes, you keep thinking, 'naaa, this is not happening, this is not how Vader joins the dark side".

Anakin and OB1 share some loaded words prior to the final duel. The dialogue cheats the viewer. I never once felt Ob1 was holding back Anakin, I was never under the impression that the JEdi ever harmed Anakin. But there Anakin is, blaming lifes problems on Ob1 and the council. If I'm not convinced with Anakin's words, then how can the battle shortly after be filled with emotion? It can't, it was jam packed with lava and surfing and cg and blah blah, but no sparks, no tears, no holding of breath. I just sat there and watched shaking my head.

ROTS was the biggest bomb of all three.

[Thracozaag]

NO he doesn't.  But it's not Hayden's fault. 

Paladin, the scene were he commits to Sidious is so rushed and poorly delivered that as the scene is playing before your eyes, you keep thinking, 'naaa, this is not happening, this is not how Vader joins the dark side".

Anakin and OB1 share some loaded words prior to the final duel.  The dialogue cheats the viewer.  I never once felt Ob1 was holding back Anakin, I was never under the impression that the JEdi ever harmed Anakin.  But there Anakin is, blaming lifes problems on Ob1 and the council.  If I'm not convinced with Anakin's words, then how can the battle shortly after be filled with emotion? It can't, it was jam packed with lava and surfing and cg and blah blah, but no sparks, no tears, no holding of breath.  I just sat there and watched shaking my head.

ROTS was the biggest bomb of all three.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Totally concur; the scene with Anakin's being annoited a Sith apprentice is handled extremely poorly; I figured we'd have most of a movie to see this precipitous fall, not some ham-fisted five minute quick conversion scene.

koji

This post has been edited by Thracozaag: 18 June 2005 - 09:17 PM

[Trumble Trickly]

A lot of people here need to try expanding their mind a bit.  It's a lot easier for people to point their finger and judge the prequel trilogy, yet they are insecure about examining the flaws original trilogy.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Why is it that whenever someone supports something that they like they attribute others' dislike with some sort of mental deficiency? I didn't really care much about "Sith" as others. I thought it was fine. Better than TPM and AOTC but nowhere near as good as the OT. But I refuse to believe that I need to "expand my mind." I don't want to expand my mind. I didn't really care for ROTS and that's that. Maybe if I expanded my mind with a powerful hallucinogen it would be more enjoyable but that seems like a lot of work when I could just watch a good movie instead.

The same argument could be made that people who liked the movies should expand their mind to dislike it. Why not use that as a counterargument? Because it's a dumb argument, that's why.

And again it doesn't have anything to do with the original trilogy. Try to argue why "Sith" is a good movie on its own. Each of these films should be part of a saga but also be able to stand on its own. Saying that the original trilogy had plenty of problems doesn't excuse the prequels. What makes them so good on their own? I'm not insecure about examining the flaws of the originals. I just think the flaws in the prequels are much more numerous. We're not talking about the original movies, we're talking about the prequels.

My only hope is, just HOW stupid it is...

Just a question. How much does Anakin bitch and cry i nthe movie? And does he throw tantrums like he did in the last?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

He's better than in AOTC but he still has a few moments of annoying Annakinness. Nothing like his outbursts in "Clones" though.