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#17
Posted 13 October 2006 - 04:31 AM
#18
Posted 13 October 2006 - 05:05 AM
Who me? That hurts...
Seriously, I don't get the prejudice against IFrames.
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#20
Posted 13 October 2006 - 06:16 AM
Frames are excellent, in my humble opinion, floaters, in my experience are fragile because of a thing I called TEXT SIZE UP. Seen web pages go POOF into a puff of logic with that. You should build a webpage with either a side bar or a top bar instead of a few paragrpahs made up from a single word. It looks amateur and nothing scares people away faster. Except for blinking lights, except for blinking lights (See Wrath at the Seven Deadly Forums)
Also, doing a webpage that is light on content for people to seek out repeatedly and stuff, you need a good writer's voice, like Yahtzee, Joe R. Landale and again Maddox. But never, ever, ever try to sound like any of them because you'll fail and people will hate you forever.
Just my two cents.
P.S. Yahtzee, that was beautiful.
#21
Posted 13 October 2006 - 07:00 AM
Support: I prefer Micorsoft Internet Explorer, and I think Microsoft Products would work better on Microfsoft operating systems than third party software (Bill Gate's would have seen to that the chep bastard).
Implementation: Yeah, some people are really bad at that.
Look: You'd be surprised how many places use them without you even realising.
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#22
Posted 13 October 2006 - 07:32 AM
IFrames and most layout tag attributes are well known to have implementation bugs across browsers; this is why we have style attributes and stylesheets now.
I think one of the problems with your site in my browser is more simple, however: one of your </tr tags is missing the closing >.
None of your links work correctly for me either; I don't know if that's related to the iframe. But why use an IFrame here? You have a bar along the top and a bar along the left (unless the format's messed up for me) -- normal frames are far better supported than iframes and could easily recreate the exact same layout.
Frames in general are generally frowned upon, however, because they screw up the back button in the browser and aren't easily viewable on more limited forms of display; e.g. text-mode browsers (which I *am* stuck using sometimes). And it's never fun to be stuck inside somebody else's frame, clicking links on an unrelated website.
#23
Posted 13 October 2006 - 07:35 AM
Honestly, you shouldn't think. Won't get you far.
You'd be surprised to know that I know how many places are using them. Still, it's only suitable for some things, e-shops, for example. And that's what AJAX and the likes are for, so it's not only a major design fault, but also heavily obsolete and depricated.
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#24
Posted 13 October 2006 - 08:59 AM
You'd be surprised to know that I know how many places are using them. Still, it's only suitable for some things, e-shops, for example. And that's what AJAX and the likes are for, so it's not only a major design fault, but also heavily obsolete and depricated.
I guess this means I'm gonna learn StyleSheets, huh? I'll leave it how it is for now and I'll update from it later.
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#25
Posted 13 October 2006 - 09:35 AM
I would have just edited my last post but for some reason I couldn't see the edit button.
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#26
Posted 13 October 2006 - 10:55 AM
Is your container page really so large that you are worried about the impact of its loading time? Remember that the browser caches images, and most of the formatting information can be moved into an external stylesheet, which the browser will also cache.
To tell the truth iframes aren't that bad anymore, as long as you make sure they work in all the browsers you're targeting, now that most modern browsers support them. Most older browsers do not, if you care about that. The only real reason to use an IFrame I can see is bandwidth savings and perhaps smoothness of navigation. Ajax can give much greater bandwidth savings if you only care about modern browsers, but ajax means learning some basic javascript, and has its own massive bag of potential pitfalls. I happen to be strongly prejudiced against iframes because they were so prevalent *before* my browser of choice had any support for them! So my brain is wired against them.
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#27
Posted 13 October 2006 - 03:59 PM
First problem would be the lack of a navagation bar. This can be easily done with a simple table in html. Unfortunatly I don't have my own webspace at the moment so you'll just have to copy paste the following into notepad then saveas as a .htm file.
<head>tabletest</head>
<body>
<table width = "100%">
<tr>
<td width = "30%">
<h2>Navagation</h2>
Linky</br>
dinky</br>
doo</p>
</td>
<td width = "70%">
<h1>Main Content</h1>
<p>Insert Lorem Ipsum here.</p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
It seems as though the code box doesn't show the tabs, oh well.
The atributes that I've put on the table and it's table datas (columns) is width. This can either be done in pixles or % of window avaliable taken, I've picked % for this example. This puts the links on the side navigation bar and creates a margin for the main content. !Warning! I'm not exactally sure how tables, or any code would work with the banner ads that your webspace has put on you !Warning!
If you're still interested in web design w3schools.com is a great resouce for learning about coding.
One question though, how much html, or any coding experiance do you have Dan?
Edit: Also, the links should be on their own page. Especially the banners.
This post has been edited by Kirby: 13 October 2006 - 04:04 PM
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#28
Posted 13 October 2006 - 06:35 PM
I'll just make another version of my website without IFrames. It will just stretch the table that holds the IFrame. Tables weren't popular in the 90's, hence the reason why those sites are so awful. Tables let you set up the format of your page easier, give it more structure.
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#29
Posted 15 October 2006 - 07:30 PM
Man, it's not the design that matters. I mean, it helps, but it must not be your bigger concern right now.
When I clicked your website, the only thing I saw was a black screen with small white lines and dots that seemed to be letters. Looking at it again now, I'm quite sure they really are. I don't care because I (and half of the forum, correct me if I'm wrong) usually don't read amateur websites. I just click in the word that has something to do with what I want and then I click download.
But I'm not gonna click on anything if the owner says he "shamefully" presents something "crappy". Please: stop making your own website look like a piece of shit and show some self-respect, specially if you don't have anything else to show...
#30
Posted 16 October 2006 - 01:30 PM
Anyways, I took your advice, and went with my girlfriend on a vacation, although I went to the crappy Romanian seaside... We have this location, it's called Vama Veche and it's basically a haven for drunken young people (over 18, of course) and rock'n'roll... I returned anew... I fell better now.
Anyway, let's see what's been going on...
Yessir! I appreciate honesty over anything else.
When I clicked your website, the only thing I saw was a black screen with small white lines and dots that seemed to be letters. Looking at it again now, I'm quite sure they really are. I don't care because I (and half of the forum, correct me if I'm wrong) usually don't read amateur websites. I just click in the word that has something to do with what I want and then I click download.
But I'm not gonna click on anything if the owner says he "shamefully" presents something "crappy". Please: stop making your own website look like a piece of shit and show some self-respect, specially if you don't have anything else to show...
Yes, well... I figured the "shamefully and such presents" part would generate at least a smirk from someone... I guess I was wrong.
And there is something there to download, although it isn't much... And I plan to write a new feature and an update soon and some more reviews (I've just played Monkey Island I! And I'm playing Monkey Island II now!)...
Oh, and I'm also working on a new design, a better one, with TABLES! (thanks Kirby)
It will take some time, seeing as I need to go job hunting, (blergh) but fret not.
And if anyone dares download and play Industrial Revelations, please, give me feedback on that as well. But don't you dare play it without reading the manual first, 'cause if you don't read the manual, I doubt you'll be able to play it.
Right, correct me if I'm wrong, but the main problems of the site so far are:
- Bad bad bad bad bad design.
- Not much to see, read, do.
The first one I can handle a bit, but the second will take some time...
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