Is ROTJ better than 'The Phantom Menace'? The age-old question. (Part One of Three)
#32
Posted 29 September 2006 - 02:13 AM
1. "From a certain point of view" - the BIGGEST copout of the entire OT, delivered by a very embarrassed Alec Guinness.
2. Ewoks - "A battle between a troop of waddling teddy bears and the WORST soldiers in the universe," in the pointed words of our own Chefelf.
3. Sebastian Shaw's face where Dave Prowse's SHOULD have been.
4. Jabba - a big slug is NOT all that scary. That slimy bastard could have been held off by someone with a large salt shaker.
5. An ominous villain turns into a cackling idiot - Palpatine.
6. A rehash of an old weapon that was blown up in ANH. What happened to the freshness and originality of ANH and ESB?
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I still maintain that RotJ sucks, and no amount of shaming is going to change my mind. HOWEVER, even though RotJ sucks, at least to me, it is a little puff, as compared to the hurricane suck power of the PT.
Here are some of the great things about RotJ:
1. No Gungans - Jar Jar, thankfully, was years in the future
2. The dialogue and acting are even worse in the PT
3. The characters of RotJ are not all a bunch of loathesome putzes.
4. The final battle scene is still the best in ALL of the SW movies, and has never been beaten.
5. No overwrought CGI bullshit - GL was still of the opinion that effects were there to help forward the story, not take over the screen to the exclusion of EVERYTHING else.
6. Darth Vader was an interesting character, not a whiny psycho.
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I have read the novelization to RotJ, and it did not help that much. But it was MUCH better than the PT.
#33
Posted 29 September 2006 - 04:23 AM
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#35
Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:23 PM
After some time i have come to about the same conclusion.... that not everyone wil like ROTJ. though i may never no why, i have to respect their opinon and even agree with some of the really bad parts of the movie. And yes the book ROTJ is very good but i find that to be tru e of alot of the STAR WARS books.
By the way i found this freakin' HILARIOUS
Duct tape is like the force....
There's a lightside, a darkside
and it holds everything together
There are too many people in the world...We need another plague -Dwight K. Shrute [The Office]
#36
Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:39 PM
After some time i have come to about the same conclusion.... that not everyone wil like ROTJ. though i may never no why, i have to respect their opinon and even agree with some of the really bad parts of the movie. And yes the book ROTJ is very good but i find that to be tru e of alot of the STAR WARS books.
By the way i found this freakin' HILARIOUS
Personally, I would like to see Lucas acquire the necessary studio rights, and then insert footage from 1994's "Dumb and Dumber" into ROTJ. The scene I am referring to takes place in the diner, when Lloyd suggests to Harry to "throw some salt over your right shoulder". Harry would then toss an oversized, and open salt shaker back which would then cut over to footage of Jabba being heavily seasoned with the airborne sodium and shrilling in pain and agony, all the while Leia begins to break free of her restaint.
Hmmm...maybe with the right computer software,.some technical wizard out there could get to work on such footage? hee hee
4. Jabba - a big slug is NOT all that scary. That slimy bastard could have been held off by someone with a large salt shaker.
I guess my previous post would have made more sense, If I copied and pasted the right quote...(Homer Simpson) DOH!
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#37
Posted 30 September 2006 - 02:01 AM
As for the slug comments, I live in Seattle, and it seems the slug is our official state animal, because the slimy bastards are EVERYWHERE. So when I saw Jabba up on screen, all I could think of yelling at the screen was, "Luke, forget the Jedi Mind Trick, you just need some salt!"
#38
Posted 01 October 2006 - 11:40 PM
I liked that one a bit.
#40
Posted 02 October 2006 - 06:54 PM
some are very distracted by the pickles but will try to enjoy the hamger,
some like JYAMG will remove the offending pickles, then there are others like me who just enjoy the damn burger pickles an all and try to ignore the fact that the pickles are shorter, hairier, and far too cutsy for my liking but fuck it im going to enjoy it anyway because this meat is some prime grade a meat full of beef, closure, and an awsome lighsabre fight between father and son.
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#41
Posted 04 October 2006 - 04:01 PM
i've been to Seattle and i agree about the slugs,you might need to get the government involved. Perhaps your congress representitive could use that as a platform in the next election.
And i must say a very big THANK YOU LORD AQUAMAN it is clear you understand the magic that is ROTJ.
Duct tape is like the force....
There's a lightside, a darkside
and it holds everything together
There are too many people in the world...We need another plague -Dwight K. Shrute [The Office]
#42
Posted 07 October 2006 - 12:29 PM
Here's a reason why George Lucas makes money on a movie as where the remainder of you would spend your entire film's budget in a day. Let's take the scene from ROTS where Anakin is leading the clone troopers into the Jedi Temple. Most likely everything in that scene was CGI, aside from Anakin. I had no problem with it.
Now, if the fans at Chef Elf were to do that scene, they would hire 1000 unknown actors to play the clone troopers. Then they would purchase 1000 clone trooper suits. Then they would reshoot that scence 1000 times in order to make sure all the troops were walking in unison. Oh, and not to mention they would also have to find some place in the world that resembles the Jedi Temple or build it from scratch. Congratulations fans at Chef Elf, your company has become bankrupt in not even one day. On the bright side, perhaps you would get featured on a television show for "World's Worst Filmakers".
The year is 2006. I think it's time some of you accepted there is better technology out there.
#43
Posted 07 October 2006 - 01:02 PM
Here's a reason why George Lucas makes money on a movie as where the remainder of you would spend your entire film's budget in a day. Let's take the scene from ROTS where Anakin is leading the clone troopers into the Jedi Temple. Most likely everything in that scene was CGI, aside from Anakin. I had no problem with it.
Now, if the fans at Chef Elf were to do that scene, they would hire 1000 unknown actors to play the clone troopers. Then they would purchase 1000 clone trooper suits. Then they would reshoot that scence 1000 times in order to make sure all the troops were walking in unison. Oh, and not to mention they would also have to find some place in the world that resembles the Jedi Temple or build it from scratch. Congratulations fans at Chef Elf, your company has become bankrupt in not even one day. On the bright side, perhaps you would get featured on a television show for "World's Worst Filmakers".
The year is 2006. I think it's time some of you accepted there is better technology out there.
Is it better? The OT gave you more of a sense it was "real" with so much of it having to actually be built and put in front of the camera. Sure, a lot of it looked like crap, but the overwhelming majority of it worked. It simply "feels" more real when watching it. I have no problem when CGI is used well and only when needed, but scenes like the exact one you listed DON'T need it given the budget these films had or could have had. Quite simply, it looks fake when all of the troopers or digitally created. I never get the sense I'm watching more than a video game. CGI should be used to ehance a scene or a film...not dominate it.
#44
Posted 07 October 2006 - 01:09 PM
How easy is it to pretend you're in a jungle with lush greenery and animals when you're only confined to a bathroom in some apartment?!?! You can't! An actor needs some sort of visual stimuli to let them know that they are supposed to be in this certain environment so act like it!
Why did filming in Tunnisia work better for scenes related to Tattoine? Because they were in the frikin' dessert! Why do scenes look, feel, and sound stale for Corruscant? Because all the actors aren't using their imaginations to see this stuff. Only Lucas sees this and therefore he thinks everything is fine.
Listen to Natalie Portman on the EP II documentary. She didn't even know that she was supposed to be running on a conveyor belt in a droid assembly factory! She had no idea, until after she saw the movie and she was stunned at what it turned out to be. If she did see some sort of props or even heard some sound effects of what was going on, she'd look a hell of a lot more surprised at the sight of all that was going on around her.
#45
Posted 07 October 2006 - 03:13 PM
To use the Stormtooper example again, I completely understand only having a few dozen or so actors in costumes and the rest put in with CGI...hell, in the OT they did that and just filled the rest in matte painting-style. LOTR used it to great effect. But making ALL of them CGI is very jarring and never seems real. The CGI isn't bad...it's just not realistic-looking enough to pull off THAT much CGI and still have a few human actors running around. That makes the CGI a distraction and not a tool.