9/11 Denial
#46
Posted 08 February 2008 - 07:04 AM
For your last bit, were you possessed by TruJade but resisting? And if I recall, Japan was hoping to knock out the US's navy with one heavy blow to ensure they stayed out of the war in the Pacific.
In general, we've been throwing around lots of terms, some of them being used improperly. At its simplest, Fascism is a devotion to the state to the point of willing subjugation of the individual in favor of said state. It may appeal to anything populist, authoritarian, religious, etc. to further its goals, is authoritarian, appeals to tradition and power, etc. but I don't think you can just replace the word "state" in my definition with x and then say that it's "x fascism." That is something else that's similar and still pretty terrible.
#47
Posted 08 February 2008 - 07:58 AM
"Admiral, the enemy forces have submerged, and we're all out of depth charges!"
"Release the landsharks!"
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#48
Posted 08 February 2008 - 01:48 PM
No posession, just under the influence of some really great mushrooms I've been smoking.
Hamsteric Fascism! Blake had a bunch of them once and this really big one kept trying to control all the food and oppress the other hamsters and stuff. Clearly an instance of the well documented Hamsteric Fascism.
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#49
Posted 08 February 2008 - 04:21 PM
No. It would be Vietcong Fascists. CSA Fascists. Catholic/Clerical Fascists. I don’t know why you think Islam has anything to do with those groups.
Considering the slavery of the CSA. Considering the concentration camps of North Vietnam. Considering the appalling things the Crusaders did to all non-Catholics. I would have to say yes, they were all Fascists.
And people like you try and make Islamic Fascists into freedom fighters and divert attention away from what they really are, wife beating, child killing Fascists. I don’t hate Islam, I see it as another mainstream religion that needs serious reform. I have been very specific in what breed I am against, Islamic Fascists. I don’t call them Muslims. You have no right to accuse me of anything or being apart of any group.
Al Qaeda is a terrorist group and I doubt it has anything to do with any of the Islamic Fascists regimes out there.
If someone ‘invades’ my country then they cant be all that benevolent, can they? I would fight them.
Because life is an AIM conversation.
Japan, has 4 million troops in China fighting an army of 10 million. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, Japanese leaders under Tojo, who was never planning a war in the Pacific and wanted to invade the USSR, declares war on the Allies, America and brings them into a war. That does make sense… if by sense you mean #$^%.
FDR could have said that he was preparing to send more aid, which amounts to tanks, guns and men to Britain.
No. It made Japanese leaders desperate and declare war on an unready America and an overextended alliance.
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#50
Posted 08 February 2008 - 04:29 PM
{trying to say that the Taliban are not Fascists by drawing parallels to Hitler’s Germany}
Because when Mussolini came to power, he tried to wipe out all the Jews in his country.
The ‘alleged’ mistake was he provoked a belligerent and resource desperate country without having a proper military.
And I bet they felt really silly for using those boats that could have done so well in the middle of the Chinese mainland to attack an enemy that was only
Allied with the enemies of Japans allies.
The largest fleet and largest army besides Japan's in the Pacific
The biggest concentration of boats available with few defenses.
Clearly eventually going to go to war with Japan
The Japanese navy invaded Guam, the Philippines and Indonesia? It seems to me that they navy could not start a war without the blessing of the army.
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#52
Posted 08 February 2008 - 04:51 PM
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#53
Posted 08 February 2008 - 05:08 PM
The Axis sought global domination. They wanted world war, and Japan's strategy was to cripple the U.S.'s ability to intervene and get in the way of their plans elsewhere.
#54
Posted 08 February 2008 - 05:14 PM
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#55
Posted 08 February 2008 - 05:42 PM
*snap!*
Damn. There goes the fun. Goodbye fun. You're just going to repeat the same statements over and over again, no matter how many times you're proven wrong. So now it's boring.
We carry a harpoon
But there ain't no whales so we tell tall tales
And sing a whaling tune
#56
Posted 08 February 2008 - 06:20 PM
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#57
Posted 08 February 2008 - 11:43 PM
No. It would be Vietcong Fascists. CSA Fascists. Catholic/Clerical Fascists. I don’t know why you think Islam has anything to do with those groups.
Because they're all fascists in your narrow minded world view? Honestly man, I've run with anarchists who didnt spew that word as often as you do. You're starting to remind me of Hannibal, the father of all trolls.
Wait wait... Muslims are fascists because they will do bad things when they're desperate, but I can't accuse you of thinking like Bush because you use a term him and his handlers coined? You like dichotomies so here's one:
If you call people Islamic Fascists you're with Bush. If you don't you're not.
Quote number 1 seems kinda in conflict with quotes 2 and 3. Explanation?
Oh and my source was your posts on page 2 of this thread. Need a link or can you find it all by yourself?
They didnt declare war. They took a golden opportunity to sneak attack the US and put them out of the war. That opportunity would have been there oil or no oil.
Different stuff. The Atlantic required battleships, artillery, tanks, etc. And it would have been on the ATLANTIC coast.l The Pacific required fighters, bombers, carriers, marines and mortars. And those would have been on the PACIFIC coast. I think Japan can tell the difference if the buildup was 2000 miles in the wrong direction for Europe.
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#58
Posted 08 February 2008 - 11:51 PM
{trying to say that the Taliban are not Fascists by drawing parallels to Hitler’s Germany}
Because when Mussolini came to power, he tried to wipe out all the Jews in his country.
Youre comparing blowing up stone statues of Budha to the holocaust? No. Just no.
They had plenty of oil if they'd stopped their invasion of Asia. Hey, maybe that was what he hoped they'd do? And the US had a better navy than Japan to start out with.
No the navy bombed pearl harbor. That's what we're talking about if you can manage to keep your mind on one thing for five minutes.
The 1937 Japanese attack against China was condemned by the U.S. and by several members of the League of Nations, particularly Britain, France, Australia, and the Netherlands. These states had economic and territorial interests, or formal colonies, in Southeast Asia, and had become increasingly alarmed at Japan's military power and willingness to use it, which they saw as threats to their control in Asia. In July 1939, the U.S. terminated the 1911 U.S.-Japan commercial treaty. These efforts failed to deter Japan from continuing the war in China nor from signing both the Anti-Comintern Pact with Nazi Germany and the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy forming the Axis Powers.
The Tripartite Pact, war with China, increasing militarization and Japan's withdrawal from the League of Nations eventually led the U.S. to embargo scrap metal and gasoline shipments to Japan and to constrain its actions and close the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping. In 1941, Japan moved into northern IndoChina.[2] The U.S. responded by freezing Japan's assets in the U.S. and embargoing all oil exports to Japan.[3]
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia....on_Pearl_Harbor
First off proving something that is wrong is impossible as if an assertion is incorrect (as many of yours are) it can't be proven.
Also, I gave you a source, so I think SF is still allowed to speak. Or whoever you were addressing with that.
Source- Your mom.
Oh, and
Do you have any understanding of just how fucked Russia was? The Germans were on the outskirts of moscow and you're saying we should have let the Japanese invade Eastern Russia? The Eastern front would have crumbled under the double pressure and it's almost certain the Nazis would have either won or attained a stalemate. Come on, use some basic strategy.
Japan had proven able to beat the crap out of the Russians in the Russo Japanese war where they destroyed a good chunk of Russia's fleet. Germans were wandering around Stalingrad and Moscow's suburbs. And your belief is that on a global scale or for the US it would have been better to let Japan join the assault on Russia and wait to enter the war while the last vestiges of red resistance were shredded?
The Russians had more people in the war than just about any other nation. So you must be claiming that if the US had waited a while to enter the war our strength would have been
A: Greater than Russia's
B: Would have been enough to defeat Germany with only Britain as an allie fighting on one front against them
C: Have ALSO been enough to defeat an assault by Japan against our Western territory while we fought Germany in the East. (yes, we did do that, but that was partly because the Russian counter attack shredded the Nazi's power. If Russia had been out of the war by the time we entered it is easy to consider a different outcome very likely)
Since neither of those 3 statements is true we must assume that Roosevelts decision to embargo Japan, even if it did lead to war, was a wise one as it kept pressure off of Russia and forced Japan to spread out her resources and not press the already exhausted Soviets.
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#59
Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:09 AM
Hear, hear! We entered the fight at just the right time, because if Russia had fallen, it would have been utterly hopeless. If not for their defeat on the eastern front, the Germans would never have made the gamble that cost them the war: the Battle of the Bulge. They couldn't keep up the momentum, they couldn't capture enough supplies to keep going, and then the weather cleared and the RAF blasted the Hell out of them. Game over.
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#60
Posted 09 February 2008 - 03:50 PM
I use it when I see a supremacist organization that believes in strict social and economic control and would prefer dictatorship. Sorry but the Taliban are Fascists. If you don’t want to accept that then fine.
Did I say Muslims? No. I said Taliban. Your mind is really falling apart. Smoke less shrooms.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. To you, anyone who is not with you is against you, right? No thanks. I live in the real world.
Oh and my source was your posts on page 2 of this thread. Need a link or can you find it all by yourself?
You don’t want to show everyone the extremist bullshit you read. It is understandable.
They did declare war. Unfortunately, for the Japanese, the message/ultimatum was sent by telegram and it came an hour after the attack instead of just before the attack.
America could have sneaked in troops to the Philippines through Australia.
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