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The Darth Plaguis problem not only the name is bad...
#18
Posted 08 July 2005 - 02:04 AM
Only a Sith thinks in absolutes, people.
Everyone criticizes Anakin's turn because Palpatine is the stereotypical villain. "He might as well have been twirling a moustache," one reviewer said. How could Anakin not see through him?
You have to keep in mind that Anakin trusted Palpatine -- alot more than he trusted any Jedi. Look at the scenes between them...Palpatine treats him kindly and encourages his abilities. In AOTC, Anakin cites Palpatine as an example of a respectable politician; later, he states that politics don't work in the current form..."someone wise" would be needed to make everyone agree, to make decisions for the populace. Hmmm, wonder who Anakin is thinking of....
Anakin is desperate...*and* he learns that his long-time mentor and friend is actually that which he had sworn to fight. That might make you reconsider your views on the Sith, learning that the only person who really treats you kindly (as you see it) is a Sith.
Ontop of *this*, the Jedi Council has been acting in ways that have definitely made Anakin question their loyalty to the Republic...such as giving him a secret mission to spy on the Chancellor and talking about removing the Chancellor from office despite the wishes of the Senate. Anakin doesn't turn just because Palpatine tells him to -- he turns because he's confused, he's desperate, and the actions of the Jedi are making him feel very, very uneasy.
I thought it was all handled well.
This post has been edited by DarthTherion: 08 July 2005 - 02:05 AM
#19
Posted 08 July 2005 - 06:20 AM
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The question you should be asking yourself is WHY does Anakin trust Palpatine more than the Jedi. Obi-Wan has been Anakin's 'father' for over 12 years. I think it pretty safe to assume that he has also treated Anakin kindly and trusted his abilities. Anakin also refers to Padme as a politician he can trust in ATOC, why then in ROTS, doesn't he get her side re how politics work, she seems pretty clued up to me. Also, you refer inaccurately to that politics scene in ATOC - Anakin says they need a system where people can sit down and discuss problems etc and Padme very kindly points out to him that they already have such a system but that it doesn't always work because people don't always agree. And that's when Anakin suggests putting someone in place, someone who will make it work and Padme tells him, yes a dictator. Hmmm, wonder who Padme was thinking of ...
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Anakin has another long-time mentor and friend - Obi-Wan. One whom he spent a lot more time with than Palpatine, one whom Anakin considers has been like a father to him. Anakin's switch to the darkside has nothing to do with Palpatine being a mentor etc, and more to do with is own self interest, that is keeping Padme alive.
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I think you will find that Palpatine asked Anakin to spy on the Jedi Council before the Jedi Council asked him to spy on Palpatine. Interesting how this didn't seem to effect his conscience. Palpatine relocated the power of the Senate in himself, this was against the Constitution and moreover the Senate, I think the Senate were more bothered about this little matter, than the Jedi removing the Chancellor from his office.
Anakin does indeed turn against the Jedi because Palpatine tells him to, Palpatine is obviously acting against the Constitution and the Senate, and his classes in how the Constitution worked would have told him this.
This scenes weren't handled well at all. I hate to think of Anakin transposed to Earth during the 1930s. Just think of how Hitler could have used him. Oh wait, Hitler had many Anakins, they were called Himler ....
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#21
Posted 09 July 2005 - 01:21 AM
This is only one micron better than just going ahead and naming him "Darth Evilguy."
Extracted from Luca's Cool names notes:
Darth Villanous
Darth Vicious
Darth Infamous
Darth Faked
Darth Agnian
Darth Laden
Darth Money
Darth Anonimous
Darth Tilaginosous
Darth Tender
Darth Olomeus Simpson
Darth Badder (mmhh resembles Vader too much)
Darth Youbuyingthistory?
This post has been edited by showmethemoney: 09 July 2005 - 01:28 AM
#23
Posted 09 July 2005 - 06:16 PM
Oh, and i think this is the place for this conclusions:
Anakin is Sandpeople's son!
That's why they kidnapped his mother and did'nt kill her!
Was a family thing.
They never accepted Anakin bicouse he hate the sand!
And that's why she did'nt confess who is Anakin's fhater to Qui Jon, she was a cheap prostitute talkin to a monk. She lied!
She was the sandpeople sex-toy. Warhto used to rent her to them and she was their favorite, but after the expulsion of little Anakin she stop visiting them, so they took her back.
It's all in the next cartoon: SW: The Sand Menace who covers the pre-PT times.
This post has been edited by showmethemoney: 09 July 2005 - 06:27 PM
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Posted 10 July 2005 - 01:10 AM
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#27
Posted 10 July 2005 - 10:13 PM
As for Darth Plagueis' name, it's good that it's so memorable so we can all ridicule that character. I still think it was a mistake to not have Palpatine as an apprentice and a Sith master above him to be the evil one for most of the prequels. That would have given it an element of mystery and surprise. The whole time we could have been wondering how the Sith lord became Palpatine, only to discover that his apprentice took him down and became the emperor we know.
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#28
Posted 11 July 2005 - 05:06 PM
As for Darth Plagueis' name, it's good that it's so memorable so we can all ridicule that character. I still think it was a mistake to not have Palpatine as an apprentice and a Sith master above him to be the evil one for most of the prequels. That would have given it an element of mystery and surprise. The whole time we could have been wondering how the Sith lord became Palpatine, only to discover that his apprentice took him down and became the emperor we know.
Great idea!
One of the mayor weakness to conceive this prequels is the notion that we all know who is gonna become the Emperor. (Except lucas, who write the Palpy character with that useless mistery aura)
#29
Posted 12 July 2005 - 01:04 PM
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