Thunderous Applause and Death of Democracy Bullets over Naboo
#1
Posted 20 July 2005 - 11:56 AM
How many of the other planets in the galaxy far, far away, have a similar kind of ‘democratic’ government to that of Naboo? Perhaps Padme should consider herself lucky that she is hearing thunderous applause and not hails of rocket fire and bullets, when ‘liberty’ is dying.
This film fails because the democratic systems that are being employed to make metaphorical attacks on the policies of George Bush, are themselves so utterly undemocratic, they render any kind of insight into the current USA political situation, superfluous.
#2
Posted 20 July 2005 - 03:27 PM
Personally, I really don't care anymore for Star Wars and the prequels. I can't wait till Episode III comes out on video so I can get my movie-marathon over with and close this sorry chapter in my life.
Incidentally, the same time Episode III came out is the same time I finished college. That makes it two chapters in my life, the Star Wars fiasco, and the end to my time as a full-time student, are more or less over. I'm looking for a job now and I think I'm within reach of one right now. I just hope to forget all the tradgic events that happened to me as a child and as an adolesant and think of the future. Plus, I just want to forget about Star Wars in its entirity and think of it as some formerly good Sci-Fi movie series gone bad and get over it... actually, I already have a long time ago, but it won't really be complete until I get Episode III on video!
#4
Posted 22 July 2005 - 11:20 AM
I thought we were done with overanalyzing the politics of George Lucas' galaxy. But heres one more point: You cant tell that of all the planets in the galaxy not one thought that transfering power to Palpatine was a bad idea.
#5
Posted 22 July 2005 - 11:33 AM
But then again, maybe she knew that she would never have suceeded no matter what she said or tried to do.
#6
Posted 24 July 2005 - 07:09 AM
But on a galactic scale it is democratic, we have a Senate.
And there was opposition to Palpatine, see the novel and movie script.
It seems that ignorance still rules on this board.
#7
Posted 24 July 2005 - 10:36 AM
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
-- Edmund Burke
#8
Posted 24 July 2005 - 10:39 AM
It seems that ignorance still rules on this board.
That's like people on these boards saying, "you needed to see the cartoon..."
Bottom line: if it was in the books and script Lucas should have done a better job showing it in the finished movie.
#9
Posted 24 July 2005 - 08:22 PM
"I only deal in ABSOLUTES" - President George W. Bush retorting to John Kerry in the 2004 election debates.
"Only the Sith deal in ABSOLUTES" - Obi-Wan Kenobi speaking to Anakin in ROTS, and George Lucas trying to comment that George Bush is evil.
BUT .... isn't "ONLY the Sith deal in ABSOLUTES" an ABSOLUTE statement?
So since Obi-Wan is making ABSOLUTE statements, and ONLY the Sith deal in ABSOLUTES, doesn't that make Obi-wan and evil Sith as well Mr. Lucas? I think George Lucas should keep his politics to himself and a Star Wars movie should be no place for political propaganda, whether you agree with him or not. :angry:
#10
Posted 24 July 2005 - 08:32 PM
This post has been edited by Otal Nimrodi: 24 July 2005 - 08:32 PM
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#11
Posted 24 July 2005 - 09:42 PM
Not that the PT does either. Except the sense memory kicks in: yeah, that's where the graphics changed and Every facet seemed to go downhill in contrast to the OT.
I'm not suggesting it's a lame Bush reference. But I'm watching the parade from your side of the street.
#12
Posted 25 July 2005 - 03:31 AM
If you haven't noticed, the decline of the Republic is well underway when the PT begins. That's why there are systems like Tatooine that are totally beneath the notice of the Senate, systems where local crime bosses have total power and practices like slavery are allowed to continue. (This is, incidentally, how Palpatine is able to manipulate the Senate's sympathy for his apparently disenfranchised planet; it's also why the Separatist movement is so popular)
Perhaps Naboo's government is deeply flawed as well?
"This is how liberty dies" is the culmination of a process that has been developing for three movies (plus several decades/centuries prior). The surprise is that Palpatine's take-over is accomplished with the acquiescence of most of the galaxy. In the name of security, tyranny comes to power, once again demonstrating that "good" intentions consistently lead to disaster in the PT.
In our world, bad things really do happen in the name of good, and the majority of people often support them.
[It would have been nice to see the beginning of the rebellion, but I can certainly live without seeing a young Mon Mothma, can't you? Besides, the story of the PT is so focused on a handful of characters that incorporating the small resistence to Palpatine would probably not have worked]
#14
Posted 25 July 2005 - 02:22 PM
The ignorance seems to be yours mi lord.
True, this movie should be 3 hours and have more politics, I agree. But you all hate politics in PT, don't you?
Oh, and we see two Senators that are against Palpatine-Organa and Amidala. We don't see any Senators with other beliefs. Therefore opposition is implied.
Oh, and My Lord should be with capital letters.
This post has been edited by Lord Melkor: 25 July 2005 - 02:26 PM
#15
Posted 27 July 2005 - 02:42 AM
-- Edmund Burke
Quite right, I heard that quote a million times over and for some reason it slipped my mind over there. But quite frankly, with Palpatine Emperor, and slowly starting to remove what was left of the senate, I guess that whatever opposition was also being muted.
But I guess that it was not... seeing that some Admirals in ANH were arguing over the fact that the senate were supporting the rebellion (but how?) until it was dissolved. I guess maybe there was some life in the senate after all!