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  1. In Topic: Bustin' on ROTJ

    Posted 13 Mar 2004

    QUOTE (Ferris Wiel @ Mar 13 2004, 09:12 AM)
    QUOTE (JamesEightBitStar @ Mar 13 2004, 04:12 AM)
    I used to argue with a guy over He-Man who had a similar arguement--he always tried to say it was bad, his reason being "Its based on a toy."  and I said "So what?  It's still a damn good show."  If you want to argue the movie, argue the movie ITSELF, not some points outside of it that only tenuously relate to the issue at hand.

    If we're talking old-school He-Man, then yeah, HE was right. The show was inane. Just like SuperFriends. If you can actually say that He-Man was a quality show then that invalidates your arguments about ROTJ at least a little in my eyes. I have read articles on X-E by Matt, who, incidentally, loved the show and still does, and even he in full apologetics mode cannot reconcile the problems with the show and many of its more stupid elements.
    --FW


    Well that's okay, because in my eyes your arguements were pretty invalidated to begin with. Now, yes we were talking about the old show. Why? Is the new show any different in this regard? Last I saw of the new He-Man series, it was doing the same thing the Prequels did--trying to have as many tie-ins to the old show as humanly possible, even going so far as to dedicate an entire season to the stupid Snake Men. Most of the plotlines are just repeats of the old show, to boot.

    I think the problem with you is that you let other people make up your mind for you. First with ROTJ you argue that it's bad because there's a list that says so. Now you're doing it with He-Man.
  2. In Topic: Bustin' on ROTJ

    Posted 13 Mar 2004

    "I don't believe the notion of primitives being able do decimate an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops."

    Yet you DO believe that a one-man fighter craft can defeat a planet-destroying battle station just by firing a missile down an exhaust shaft.

    "If you're a tactician or soldier worth your salt you NEVER underestimate an enemy."

    You don't kill your own men, either. I don't see you complaining about that.

    Cut the crap. There's always been lapses of logic in Star Wars. I respect that you don't like ROTJ, but the fact is that Mike has made sense out of these supposed absurdities, but you just keep saying "I don't care I've got a mental block against ROTJ, read 50 Reasons."

    Frankly, the 50 Reasons ROTJ sucked is worthless. Some of the statements are completely in-accurate, while others rely on interpretation or purely on subjective reasoning. There's very few that are objective, and like Mike, I could come up with counter-arguements for each and every one of them.

    Personally, I thought doing the Ewoks as "cute" little teddy bears was a good thing. If every alien species we encountered in Star Wars was some sort of freak from a KISS Album, the universe would be just as flat as Star Trek's "All aliens are just humans with lumps on their foreheads" setting. Having cute bears showed how diverse the universe of Star Wars really is.

    And second, don't even bother to mention marketting. Wether or not the Ewoks were meant solely for merchandising is totally irrelevent as it has nothing to do with the quality of the film. I used to argue with a guy over He-Man who had a similar arguement--he always tried to say it was bad, his reason being "Its based on a toy." and I said "So what? It's still a damn good show." If you want to argue the movie, argue the movie ITSELF, not some points outside of it that only tenuously relate to the issue at hand.
  3. In Topic: Stream of Consciousness Nitpicking

    Posted 11 Mar 2004

    QUOTE (Ferris Wiel @ Mar 11 2004, 09:34 AM)
    Well, the thing is, according to the official counts, he didn't go back to Dagobah until ROTJ.  So the 9 or 10 months he spent learning between the films was not with Yoda's help.

    But that's okay.

    Here's a good question and one that Shadows of the Empire, in spite of its EU status, should have answered, if Luke had all these questions, why not seek wisdom from somebody who had been around for nearly 1000 years worth of Jedi lore?  I mean, he became a bit of a whiny little bitch in the books after "I don't know anything!  I can't find any help!  I wish Obi-Wan were here!"  Stupid.  Lucas had to have the "dramatic reunion" where Yoda dies instead of having a little line in there about "much have you learned, many times returned. Trained you have, to completion."

    Instead it's "I have a promise to keep... to an old friend."  The idea was that he was keeping the promise made in ESB.

    --FW

    Hmmm. My impression was simply that too much was going on in ten months for him to return to Degobah any earlier than he did. They are kinda, you know, in the middle of a war.

    And with all that going on, Luke probably had a lot of solid opportunities to practice the force, and plenty of tools to do it with--Lightsabers, ever-present projectiles, Stormtrooper heads...

    And dear God, it seems like I WILL have to do my "In Defense of Return of the Jedi" article!
  4. In Topic: Stream of Consciousness Nitpicking

    Posted 10 Mar 2004

    Actually, I find that the things nitpicked about the OT are in fact not really all that major. There's millions of possible explanations for everything that seems problematic in the OT.

    The whole thing about Darth recognizing the name Lars, for example... remember that at the time there was no indication that he had even met Lars before. this is an inconsistency that exists only because of the PT. Even then though, there's no indication that the Stormtroopers were even really investigating--for all we know, they could've just run in, guns blazing, and confiscated any droids they found.

    I think the other points are handled well enough.
  5. In Topic: The worst film ever

    Posted 9 Mar 2004

    QUOTE (Mike Mac from NYU @ Mar 9 2004, 10:09 AM)
    A better argument is why didn't Vader look for Obi-Wan on Tatooine. Probably because there has never been any connection between Obi-Wan and the planet to begin with.

    Actually, according to the Return of the Jedi novelization, Owen Lars is Obi-Wan's brother.

    This of course shows that Lucas can't even be bothered to keep up with his own storyline.

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