The Iraqi Strategy Problems and Solutions
#1
Posted 25 August 2007 - 01:52 AM
Of course the only solution I can give (without withdrawing) is to send more troops in and declare martial law.
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#3
Posted 25 August 2007 - 12:28 PM
The reason guerilla warfare sometimes works is not a testament to the effectiveness of the user; it's a way to take advantage of someone's humanity. Nobody ever did it to the Mongols for this reason; their tactics rendered them mostly immune to it.
Win over the enemy? Our government can't even win most Americans over. The problem is their religion. Nobody's asking them to do anything but stop killing each other and us, and for some reason, they can't manage it.
As for the dictator option, this country would never let Bush appoint a leader, American or Iraqi. They barely let him appoint supreme court justices, which is part of his job.
#5
Posted 25 August 2007 - 04:02 PM
Lest we forget that there were plenty of women and children in the Vietcong ranks.
The problem is not religion. It is the tribalistic culture of Iraq. Those “sectarian fighters” are fighting for their families and their villages/towns rather then their country.
I am not talking about turning Iraq over to a dictator. I am talking about turning Iraq into an occupied military state.
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#6
Posted 25 August 2007 - 10:00 PM
This a bit different: the Viet Cong didn't have religion to supposedly back their violence up; these guys do.
Well, first Britain, then Saddam, and now the U.S.; I think they're getting a wee bit tired of being occupied all the time, eh?
Which reminds me, strikingly, of what Hitler did to Czechoslovakia in the 1940's.
#7
Posted 28 August 2007 - 01:31 PM
Funny, you could apply much the same statement to Northern Island's entire history, but they're civilized white Christians up there so we'll be nice. I know there have been peace accords, but that took what, 100 years?
Oh, and the martial law IS imposed. The US can capture and hold anyone they like for however long they like (including American FBI agents) they can shoot people for being out past dark or driving too fast, they can bust into any house with no warrant, break up protests, etc etc. Iraq is under a dictatorship run by General Petraeus. The supposedly elected government is merely a cover.
Snort. Chortle. He goes in, arrests whoever has the wrong skin color, tells the media there have been thirty arrests, interrogates them for a day or two and usually lets the majority of them go, and then we never go back to the area again til there's a bombing.
I call bullshit. Take advantage of WHAT humanity, Czyck? The US massacred villages in South Vietnam if they even thought the liberation forces were present. They firebombed forrests and farms without a second thought, they propped up an evil dictator just because he was against his country's freedom. In Cuba when His Excellency was leading the struggle for freedom we sold bombs to Batista so he could blow up villages the rebels were thought to be in.
The humanity is what is shown by the guerilla fighters. And the people's support shows it.
Here's my solution to Iraq:
Pull out immediately, stopping at every house we pass to apologize for our unwarranted assault and try to repair what damage we can. Have every American leader involved in lying us into this war hung, preferably in Baghdad where people can see it. Then make a binding contract to guarantee reparations to whatever Iraqi government takes form regardless of what government that is, in other words if they elect a government like Hamas we can't just decide we don't want to pay them humanitarian aid.
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#8
Posted 28 August 2007 - 01:44 PM
Pull out immediately, stopping at every house we pass to apologize for our unwarranted assault and try to repair what damage we can. Have every American leader involved in lying us into this war hung, preferably in Baghdad where people can see it. Then make a binding contract to guarantee reparations to whatever Iraqi government takes form regardless of what government that is, in other words if they elect a government like Hamas we can't just decide we don't want to pay them humanitarian aid.
Hmmph. Another reason why the USSR fell...
#9
Posted 28 August 2007 - 02:45 PM
To be completely honest; it doesn’t look like Muslims are winning (or are going to win) the war. Wether the U.S or the sectarians are doing the bombing; Muslims are suffering and I doubt the U.S or the sectarians will start dishing out money to the people anytime soon.
In that case they should just stop breaking into random peoples homes because that is like finding a needle in a haystack.
You do know that half the American army is black, right?
Its not so much what people are fighting for; its what they are fighting against. In the Vietnam war there were hundreds of sides but they all fitted into 2 categories; anti-American and anti-Communist. Just like those in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting more against the U.S army then they are fighting for Islam.
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What about Poland, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Yugoslavia, Denmark, Norway and the Soviet Union?
But if it were like Czechoslovakia then I don’t think American soldiers have anything to worry about unless the SAS decide to support the insurgents.
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#10
Posted 28 August 2007 - 02:59 PM
Well, I suppose the radical clerics take advantage of that, then...
#11
Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:11 PM
Yes they do. Just as the NVA communists took advantage of Vietcong nationalists.
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#12
Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:15 PM
And look what happened there...
#13
Posted 28 August 2007 - 11:01 PM
As good a point as I've ever seen from you. No, I don't suppose that in terms of lives, property and leaders lost the Muslims are winning. But if they get the US forces to retreat that's a victory even though the Iraqi people will have clearly lost. I don't know, do you think it would be better if they just cooperated with the imperialists and became a US puppet, or if they keep fighting losing untold thousands of lives just to preserve their national dignity? Personally I'd keep fighting.
And while we're on statistics:
Everyone in Bush's club house who supported this war was white.
The US has never willingly entered a war with a majority white Christian enemy (The south had to secede to make us attack them, mexico and Cuba were hispanic countries, the Germans had to torpedo a cruise liner and then the Germans actually declared war on the US after pearl harbor. Since then all the US aggression has been against Africans (Congo) Latinos (Chile, Nicaragua, Cuba, Panama, Grenada) or Asians (Vietnam, Korea)
Not since the war of eighteen twelve has the US willingly gone to war with a caucasian nation. It's much more fun commiting genocide against people who are inferior to you. It started with the Indians and Africans, then the Vietnamese and Latinos, and now it's Muslims. The fundamental reasoning behind these unwarranted aggressions is imperialism, but these pigs recognize their own kind.
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#15
Posted 29 August 2007 - 02:05 AM