[Twig Bear]

Not logical? Do any of you afterbirth covered punks even know what logic is? Taken a course in philosophy?

Fuckers.

[floppydisk]

Be nice. Or someone's going to end up sodomizing you with a baseball bat, then banning you.

Darky's right, it was just a rant. But Maddox is definitly right about the movie being bad. And don't try to insult us just because we're bashers.

[ernesttomlinson]

Um, you may not like his tone, gushers, but he makes the following valid points.

1. Lucas both defends his movies as being just for kids yet also made a big show of warning us how "dark" Episode III was (and I think he said the same about Episode II.)

2. Anakin's caving to the Dark Side is unconvincingly quick and ill motivated. The Dark Lord of the Sith is a gullible, easily manipulated tool.

3. One moment Anakin will do anything to save Padme's life, the next moment he wants to kill her.

4. Lucas overuses computer graphics.

5. Lucas coins stupid names.

These are sensible, or at least debatable, points. If anyone's not being sensible it's the gushers sneering about the review's incoherence because it spares them the trouble of debating it.

[Storm Shadow]

the part about Anakin wanting to save his wife then trying to kill her, that's how its supposed to be. Ironic. Just like how he thinks going to the dark side will save the ones he loves, yet Qui Gon tells Yoda that the only way to acheive immortality is through compassion and being at total peace with yourself and the Force; not only that, but it can only be acheived for ones self, not other people. So yeah...Anakin got fucked over pretty good.

[jxw]

His rant is utter crap. His points of the movie are points with no logical back up at all, it's just a rant to be "cool" with the PT haters.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sorry, but why is it wrong? You'll never prove your point like that.

"Everything he said was right" is a valid comment on the piece, but pointless, since it adds nothing.

"Everything he said was wrong" is no good, because you need to point out exactly what was wrong with the piece. Please explain why what he said was wrong and we can discuss it. Otherwise, hold off from writing until you can dissect the criticism properly.

[Lord Melkor]

Hey, Anakin had many motives to fall:

-He was ambitious, impatient , power hungry

-He was disillusioned with Democracy, and saw Palpatine as strong man who shall bring order.

-Fear of losing those close to him

-He was disapointed by Jedi Council treatment of him

And his assault on Padme was caused by Darkside rage, he was becoming a monster at this point.

[Lord Melkor]

And Anakin`s feelings towards Padme are quite realistic. Have you heard a phrase- tainted love? It reminds me of my feelings towards a certain girl when I was at high school- a total and unhealthy obsession.

[Giff]

And thats why his site commands respect from a legion of millions of fans.

If you are still flustered about it, read some of his other articles. In time you will grow to see that this IS Maddox, by nature.

Deal with it, because although you may not realize it, the man is a pretty good writer...and he's pretty funny to boot.

[civilian_number_two]

And his assault on Padme was caused by Darkside rage, he was becoming a monster at this point.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

He was "fuelled by Darkside Rage?" What is this, Jack Daniels? It sounds like all Anikin was missing in that scene was a classic ribbed undershirt, and maybe a death-stick hanging from his slack jaw.

I think Maddox can get carried away with his prose, and his "angry with the world" thing sounds like the ranting of a teenaged blogger. That said, he can be fun to read in small doses, and he sounds like he's right about this film. I am heard people talk about it at work, and the high praise is always "It's better than the last two." Yippee!

[Storm]

Um, you may not like his tone, gushers, but he makes the following valid points.

It's not the tone that bothers me. It's poor, unorganized writing.

2.  Anakin's caving to the Dark Side is unconvincingly quick and ill motivated.  The Dark Lord of the Sith is a gullible, easily manipulated tool.

I fail to see how this is unconvincing. Let's look at what happens to Anakin.

-Qui-Gon Jinn meets Anakin and instantly has great admiration for the boy.
-Anakin leaves his mother and life on Tatooine with Qui-Gon to potentially train as a Jedi Knight.
-Anakin meets the Jedi Council and is instantly disrespected by everyone, except for Qui-Gon, because "his future looks cloudy".
-Qui-Gon Jinn is killed, and now Anakin is left to train only with people who have already shown they don't trust or respect him.
-The Chancellor of the Republic, Palpatine, goes out of his way to befriend Anakin after Qui-Gon dies. While the Jedi are continuously suspicious and distrusting of Anakin, Palpatine is Anakin's greatest supporter as he trains to become a Jedi Knight.
-Anakin falls in love with Padme, but if the Jedi Council knew Anakin would be banished from the Jedi Order. Seems like a bit of a harsh punishment just for loving someone. And as I have read later, the new Jedi Order Luke establishes allows the Jedi to marry.
-Anakin's mother dies.
-Anakin begins to have dreams that Padme will die.
-The Jedi Council consistently discourage and distrust Anakin, while Palpatine continues his support AND reveals a way that he can save his wife.

It doesn't seem like a tough choice for me. Either join the guys who treat you poorly or join the one man who has been consistently encouraging you ever since you left your previous life behind.

3.  One moment Anakin will do anything to save Padme's life, the next moment he wants to kill her.

It was a misunderstanding. Anakin thought Padme had intentionally brought Obi-Wan to kill him. He didn't realize Obi-Wan snuck on board.

It was the heat of the moment action. How many time have we snapped and then regretted what we had done later? It's human nature to over react under extraneous circumstances.

4.  Lucas overuses computer graphics.

What do you expect Lucas to do? Film Mustafar inside a volcano and have 200 stunt men killed a day? Personally, I thought the CGI was a substantial improvement from the last two prequel films.

5.  Lucas coins stupid names.

Attacking names is about the lowest you can go in terms of nitpicking. A name doesn't make a person. I think Lester and Roy are stupid names, but that doesn't mean every person named Lester or Roy are idiots.

These are sensible, or at least debatable, points.  If anyone's not being sensible it's the gushers sneering about the review's incoherence because it spares them the trouble of debating it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have no problem debating points that are presented in an organized, thoughtful, and easy to read fashion.

This post has been edited by Storm: 05 June 2005 - 11:55 PM

[diligent_d]

I think this will be the only time I come across as an apologist, but I think it's fairly obvious that Palpatine had been feeding and manipulating Anakin since he was a child, inserting subtle thoughts and ideas into his head. When the time came for Anakin to fall to the darkside, he fell quickly due to years of build-up and attrition...

[Twig Bear]

Be nice. Or someone's going to end up sodomizing you with a baseball bat, then banning you.

Okay. I got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and they're gushers. See the conflict?

It's not the tone that bothers me. It's poor, unorganized writing.

What do you know about writing? Are you an creative writing major? Huh? Lets be honest with ourselves, this has nothing to do with the tone or the writing style, but everything to do with Star Wars. Maddox, a basher, made you, a gusher, feel bad because he could fit more value in an MS Paint picture and a few paragraphs than your god, Lucas, could fit in a few hours of film.

What do you expect Lucas to do? Film Mustafar inside a volcano and have 200 stunt men killed a day? Personally, I thought the CGI was a substantial improvement from the last two prequel films.

What did I expect? Nothing. I didn't expect much because I knew if I did I'd be disappointed when Rerun of the Shit came out. But, he didn't have to have Mustafar. What was wrong with every other planet that we've already been to? He didn't need Mustafar, he didn't need that extra CGI.

Attacking names is about the lowest you can go in terms of nitpicking. A name doesn't make a person. I think Lester and Roy are stupid names, but that doesn't mean every person named Lester or Roy are idiots.

Guess what? Some names have meaning. Some names are symbolic. Furthermore, if attacking names is as low as you can go, then defending them must be pretty low as well.

I have no problem debating points that are presented in an organized, thoughtful, and easy to read fashion.

Did you just get out of preschool? You couldn't read it? What the...

[Storm]

What did I expect? Nothing. I didn't expect much because I knew if I did I'd be disappointed when Rerun of the Shit came out. But, he didn't have to have Mustafar. What was wrong with every other planet that we've already been to? He didn't need Mustafar, he didn't need that extra CGI.

I think Lucas chose to do this because he was running out of scenarios. He's now included all "four elements" as specific locations. Earth for Endor, Water for Gungan City, Air for Cloud City, and Fire for Mustafar. I thought the location was neat.

Did you just get out of preschool?  You couldn't read it?  What the...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The excessive usage of swear words in writing and personal attacks towards George Lucas deters me from reading it.

This post has been edited by Storm: 06 June 2005 - 12:35 AM

[ernesttomlinson]

I'm in the middle of a woodworking project and can't write a long response to Storm's post but I can say these quick things. Lester and Roy may be dumb names (hm, better not tell my uncle Roy that) but they're, well, names at least. "Grievous" and "Maul" and "Sideous" aren't names, they're labels slapped on the characters' foreheads that say EVIL! Terminal laziness. The other thing is that I wouldn't have used CGI to film Mustafar because the whole idea of Mustafar is moronic in the first place (see my post on canonical lava in the main forum.)

[Dark_Sith]

I'm in the middle of a woodworking project and can't write a long response to Storm's post but I can say these quick things. Lester and Roy may be dumb names (hm, better not tell my uncle Roy that) but they're, well, names at least. "Grievous" and "Maul" and "Sideous" aren't names, they're labels slapped on the characters' foreheads that say EVIL! Terminal laziness. The other thing is that I wouldn't have used CGI to film Mustafar because the whole idea of Mustafar is moronic in the first place (see my post on canonical lava in the main forum.)

Mustafar was CGI? Where did everyone get this idea? Sure some of it was CGI, but the whole thing was a model with a real flowing lava type substance, made to look like the lava. I think the only parts in the movie for Mustafar that were CGI was the creatures in the scenes and the lava bursting up since it was a huge volcano basically.