QUOTE (darthsmash @ Apr 28 2005, 02:11 PM)
Alright add the 8 seconds of ghost Ben time in ESB and the 5 minutes from ROTJ. to that estimate of one day. Though its possible Ben said something about midichlorians to Luke after we cut away from the revelation that Leia is Luke's sister. Though by that time what would honestly be the point? "So yes kill the Emperor, and Vader and...oh yes! I've been meaning to tell you about these midichlorians but never got a chance what with dying and all. Well nows as good a time as any!"
Luke asked what the Force was; that would have been as good a time as any. Yoda could have mentioned them at any point during his training. It wouldn't have taken long and it
would have made sense; leaving out any mention of them does not. 'Midichlorians' clearly did not exist in Lucas's mind at the time he made the OT, so they should have been left out of the PT.
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See my driving analogy from above. The hydrolysis of ATP to simpler components and the energy that they provide is obviously important to any form of muscular activity such as playing a game of soccer. But is any coach going to sit down and explain this to a kid that they are trying to turn into a better player? No. Because its not going to help them be a better player.
But the Midichlorians thing
was explained to Anakin because, to paraphrase Obi-Wan, 'They tell you the will of the Force'. And Luke was hardly just a 'kid'; he was the man who was going to rebuild the Jedi Order. If Midichlorians were important enough to explain to Anakin, why not to Luke as well? And if Lucas really didn't intend them to be important,
why the hell did he include them in the first place?
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And its possible that Yoda did teach him as I said above. Its also possible that they were more worried about whether or not Luke was going to be killed/corrupted by the Emperor before he ever got a chance to start his own franchise.
But it wasn't shown, and something so fundamental to the nature of the Force should definitely have been shown. According to Qui-Gon, they determine your strength in the Force and help you to understand it. 'It happened offscreen' is a completely lame excuse for the obvious lack of continuity.
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But if Leia, "the other hope", is as strong in the force as Luke was and the OT Jedi/Sith can sense it why would Vader not be having her killed or do his damnedest to make her his apprentice. They spent years killing off the Jedi why treat one of only two people in the galaxy that Yoda considered powerful enough to defeat the Emperor as an ordinary civilian prisoner. If he could sense that she was strong but not SUPERstrong in the force then it lends credence to the fact that Qui-Gon required special technical equipment to get a proper guage on Anakin's strength in the force. If he couldn't sense her force potential at all - then you're back in the same boat.
Because she was a politician, not a Force-user. He could hardly turn her to the Dark Side before she even knew how to use the Force, and she would never have agreed to be trained by him. The point about his attempt to turn Luke was that Luke already had Force abilites; Vader was simply trying to persuade him to use them in the wrong way, knowing that once he started he wouldn't be able to stop.
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Well since Anakin was way past the age for Jedi training he would certainly have to take him to Coruscant to have a chat. The midichlorian is useful from the storytelling perspective because it lets the audience know eactly how powerful he is and lends credence to the Chosen One theory and thus why he does so much to take Anakin with him. He could say things like "I sense he is stronger than Yoda even. I sense he may be the strongest Jedi who ever lived." but that IMO at least is far more awkward a way of doing things.
All this could have been done quite easily from a story perspective WITHOUT Midichlorians. All Vader had to say in ANH was 'The Force is strong in this one' for us to know how 'special' Luke was. Making up some crap about little micro-organisms in the cells, which were never mentioned in the OT for some reason, is a far more 'awkward' way to do it than, say, simply showing Qui-Gon and another Jedi discussing his strenth in the Force.
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Just because it was never mentioned before is no reason it could not logically be the case and no reason narratively why it should be the case. Nobody mentioned people shooting lightening out of their hands before ROTJ. I guess you either like the idea, don't care either way or hate it. They could have gotten around it I suppose. But they didn't. And here we are.
Yes, there is an obvious narrative case against it - two, in fact. One, it destroys the 'mystical' aspect of the Force - remember "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter"? Two, it was never mentioned - not even hinted at - in any of the previous movies, and no matter how you try to explain this away it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. Seeing the Emperor shoot lighting from his hands was not a problem, as Vader didn't need that ability during the movies and there was no way the Jedi were going to teach it to Luke. But failing to mention such a basic element of the Force to him makes no sense whatsoever.
Anyway, I'm not going to argue this any more. I have other things to do and in any case, like I told you, I've been through all this before with someone else. Go ahead and enjoy the Prequels if you like them, and have a nice day.