[Madam Corvax]

Jariten, if you are reading this, I have to take back my words on not liking anything in ROTS. There was one thing I liked.. There was hardly any Threepio there, at least I was spared one set of winces...

[StarWarsIsUs]

I actually think Threepio and R2 are the two founding characters that make the saga better. Lucas made it to where the whole story is seen through the eyes of the two droids.

[jariten]

There are people on these boards who consider it heresey if you do not enjoy this plonk!

well...critisise all you like, i'll even join you for a few things, as long as its sensible, who cares?

Jariten, if you are reading this, I have to take back my words on not liking anything in ROTS. There was one thing I liked.. There was hardly any Threepio there, at least I was spared one set of winces...

ok, I have to make my nightly Chefelf report to Lucas soon, so i'll let him know

This post has been edited by jariten: 20 May 2005 - 11:42 AM

[Lord Melkor]

well...critisise all you like, i'll even join you for a few things, as long as its sensible, who cares?

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NO! Burn them, destroy the heretics! In the name of George Lucas, the one and only God!

[StarWarsIsUs]

""NO! Burn them, destroy the heretics! In the name of George Lucas, the one and only God!""

I think you have lost it.

[Storm]

No, come to think of it, I didn't like one thing about it. It was laughable, murky, as if cut out of bright paper. I liked some bits about AOTC, but there isn't one thing I like abou this one. GUess I am the minority and not target audience. Tough luck. A big shrug of my shoulders at all that

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You didn't like one thing?

Did you realize the movie you went to see was called "Star Wars", and is mostly about space battles and lightsaber duels, not a script that could rival "Fight Club".

The fact that you didn't like anything about the movie makes me sick to my stomach.

This post has been edited by Storm: 20 May 2005 - 12:58 PM

[Vwing]

There was never a dull moment and there didn't seem to be any extraneous scenes.

Here's the only thing I'm going to disagree with you about JYAMG. You didn't find the opening sequence incredibly tedious? Not even silly, but just tedious and boring. I would think you of all people would hate that sequence.

Interestingly, my main problem in the movie is the action. Amazingly, I felt this movie was driven by the dialgue, the performances, and the atmosphere, and the action was almost something that Lucas had to do since it was a Star Wars movie and people expected it. The Anakin/Obi-Wan and Yoda/Sidious duels were both very good, but most of the other action sequences (this does not include Order 66 or any of those types of scenes, since those are more dramatic than action) ranged from above-average to extremely boring, wtih nothing really standing out as a great action sequence. The dialogue scenes, I thought, were so good that I was really annoyed whenever they were interrupted by an action sequence.

My main nitpick is that Anakin converts too easily, but that was something that the other 2 movies failed at and that we couldn't spend too much time on through Episode III if we wanted a 2 hr 20 min picture. I could suspend disbelief and it wasn't that bad (and the scene where Anakin walks into the Neimoidians is fabulous, he walks in, there is silence, and then he shuts the door as a really scary version of the Imperial March plays), but I wish it had been developed more.

I'm not sure where I would rank this amongst the originals. You are right, JYAMG, that it certainly is more daring than ROTJ, but I'm not sure if it was more entertaining. Same goes for the other 2. It is just a completely different movie, and it's hard to compare to a trilogy where even the "darkest" one seems like a light space opera compared to this one.

I actually thought it meshed into the originals quite well, just in terms of story, since obviously it looks completely different. And I liked Vader's scene, since he keeps the aspects of Christensen while still having that powerful James Earl Jones voice. It was good that they realized he wouldn't just suddenly turn into a fearsome, powerful creature after losing his limbs and being burned alive, that he was still just a confused young man. I could overlook the No!

Also, the only thing here that almost makes me like the other prequels more is Mace Windu. We all said how he wasn't that likeable, didn't do much of anything, and in this one he's more of an asshole to Anakin than ever, so we really understand the conflict Anakin's having. Sure, Windu stands for good and Palps for evil, but Palps was so nice to Anakin and Windu was such a stern, mean, distrustful guy. I have to think if Yoda had been about to kill Sidious, Anakin wouldn't have turned, because Yoda always tried to be understanding. It's all set up so that we almost sympathize with Anakin's choice.

I'm going to see it again tomorrow, I'll see if I notice anything else, or if it is much less enjoyable with multiple viewings, as the previous two have been. But all-in-all, a great film with some forgiveable flaws.

Oh and Madam, there obviously is 1 thing you liked, since even in movies I despise I like at least 1 thing. Seeing Leia being brought to Alderaan with her theme in the background or Luke to Tatooine with his theme didn't bring a smile to your face? Order 66 evoked no emotion? The intercutting of Vader's birth and Padme's death did nothing for you? Anakin's "immolation" as John Williams calls it? Yoda killing the 2 clone troopers didn't at least make you think it was cool? You didn't think Palpatine talking to Anakin in the opera was a good scene? I mean, nothing did anything for you?

This post has been edited by Vwing: 20 May 2005 - 01:42 PM

[Madam Corvax]

The fact that you didn't like anything about the movie makes me sick to my stomach.

Oooh, I am soooo sad....
I think I am going to die because I lost the will to live because I saw your post.

Vwing, no, I wrote that I liked one thing, that there was little appearance of 3PO....

The Tatooine sequence was Harry Potter, I kalf expected a broomstick somewhere, or Hagrid's Motorbike.
Even the binary sunset was screwed, and I thought you could not screwed at least that. There were clouds! It was like the view from my kitchen window on a cloudy May day. Was it necessary to add all these mackerel skies?? IT really made me sick.

Opera? And pray, were thay playing Tosca or what? Nononono, no speeches, no lilightsabre duels, no agonising looks across empty spaces. Honestly. I had to detox myself with a few ESB sequences

[Grand Moff Lebowski]

The fact that you didn't like anything about the movie makes me sick to my stomach.

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I actually liked many aspects of the film. Here's my top ten list:

Numder 10) No Jar-Jar Binks and the Oola-la's dance number
Number 9) It is the last one
Number 8) all the copies could burn potentially
Number 7) Obi-Wan did not have a sex change
Number 6) R2-D2 didn't transform into a karate robot to aid in the final duel
Number 5) Jimmy Smits didn't turn into Ellen Barkin halfway through the "film"
Number 4) The wookies weren't bald
Number 3) It ended
Number 2) Yoda didn't run away like a chump (ooo....wait a second....)

And the number One most likeable aspect of ROTS is:

The Millenium Falcon didn't show up as a delivery vehicle for Luke and Leia's first diapers.


Cue the music---go to commercial--When we return...Juggling sensation Mandy Dorn!!!

How's your stomach now?

[ernesttomlinson]

Ugh. Did Yoda really counsel Anakin to free all of his emotional attachments to Padme? That's a something you expect from a power-hungry cult. The Scientologists, for example, love to tell their subjects that they need to cut all ties with non-Scientologist family and friends; "disconnection", they call it.

Why did Lucas do this? Of course we don't know too much from the real Star Wars movies about the nature of the Jedi before the collapse of the Republic but, by the same token, there's nothing that supports Lucas's new conception of the Jedi as emotionless, sententious fuddy-duddies. Certainly I can't be the only one who thinks that the "Jedi are forbidden to love" angle in Episode II is strictly bush-league, the cheapest, laziest possible reason that Lucas could devise to explain Anakin's turning against the Jedi. The Jedi of the prequels are well-nigh devoid of any sympathetic quality. They're incompetent in battle, ignorant of psychology, not all that great with the lightsabre, and they don't want Anakin to date his childhood sweetheart. Why, Lucas, why?

[Lord Melkor]

ErnestTomilson, so you think Buddisht Monks are worthless too!?

Jedi are Order of Monks/Priests/Paladins, so this thing is not so unrealistic as you think!

[StarWarsIsUs]

""Ugh. Did Yoda really counsel Anakin to free all of his emotional attachments to Padme? That's a something you expect from a power-hungry cult. The Scientologists, for example, love to tell their subjects that they need to cut all ties with non-Scientologist family and friends; "disconnection", they call it."""

Scientology was created by a great sci-fi author.

[ernesttomlinson]

SWIU, you'd better just be kidding or just trying to mess with my head.

[StarWarsIsUs]

I've never read any of his books, but I listened to an audio-book of something or rather (forgot the name. It has a picture of a man and a giant snake/worm or something), and it was alright. Long time ago, though. All the people I know that read, like his books.

[ernesttomlinson]

Then you've just met one who doesn't.

And even if Hubbard could write like Thomas Pynchon it wouldn't change the fact that Scientology is a crooked confidence game run by money-mad pirates. I now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war.