[Sailor Abbey]

Well ideally we would all just share and nobody would own any land. But that’s not gonna happen. Maybe it wasn’t originally Israel’s land, but they’ve been living there for a long time so why not just let it go. America wasn’t ours but we’ve been here for a few hundred years. Let it go already. You cant blame the grandchildren for sins of the great great great great great great grandparents.

Which I just realized is what you are saying.

[Dr Lecter]

For the record I didn't even bring up the whole number killed in the Holocaust.

I think its about time Israel and Palestine made peace, its been long even now. Maybe if both stopped spreading propaganda against each other then the people would start to accept that they are both there to stay.

The UN should take direct attack against both states. They are both like kids, neither one wants to give ground. Surely if they worked together they could come off better than they do from all the fighting. They are just as bad as either other. However, it would have been much better if Israel hadn't been reformed, but its too late for that now.

Mind you, that's abit idealistic, and its too workable for either side.

This post has been edited by Dr Lecter: 21 February 2006 - 01:34 PM

[civilian_number_two]

Jordan- The Zionist Entity is the term Hamas uses to describe the thing they fight.

"Zionist" was a term thrown around in the first half of the 20th century, as well, to scare folks into believing that there was a cabalistic secret society of Jews hell-bent on controlling the world. This lef to purges worldwide, and all that stuff in Germany, much publicized, was frankly onlyt a part of it.

It would do you well to use a term OTHER than "Zionist entity" when describing the government, and let's face it, the people, the paperboys, the prostitutes and the dry cleaners of Israel. I say this becuase "Zionist entity" by its very history connects your argument with the same hysterical fearmongering and consequent genocide of our recent past. It may be that you like this connection, and that's why you use the term, that you hate all Jews and want them all dead, wherever they breate and regardless of their politics. Well if so, then carry on. I would just like to point out that whether or not it is your intent, the incantatory repetition of a phrase where another will do, rather like the cumbersome use of "His Excellency" to name Castro, resembles the faux-demagoguery of the Nazi skinhead.

But what do I know? I tend to stay out of these threads because they get so worked up and racist.

[Cobnat]

[ps I am not advocating the use of recreation narcotics by anyone except world leaders]
K and America has to give its land back to the natives. And the Canadians have to give up their land to the natives. And the Australians have to give up their land to its natives…
…see where I’m going with this?
Finders keepers. And if you cant protect your stuff… finders keepers.

So do you agree with me or not? Becouse Im saying that people cant always have what they want, like the Jews cant have GAZA... which Jordan said they can....



BTW, I was going to ask you this a while back, but are you a Jew, Jordan?

[Sailor Abbey]

So do you agree with me or not? Becouse Im saying that people cant always have what they want,

I don't care who gets what. Thats not my part of the world and I have too many things to worry about. I dont think there will ever be peace in that region until human beings evolve into more peaceful creatures.

I know if some Native Americans came to my door and said - we want our land back - I'd gladly tell them where to shove it. And I'd be prepared to fight for it. This land is my home and has been for 3 generations. Finders keepers!

I dont know if or how that applies to Israel and Palestine, mostly because I'm half asleep.

[Cobnat]

I don't care who gets what. Thats not my part of the world and I have too many things to worry about. I dont think there will ever be peace in that region until human beings evolve into more peaceful creatures.

I know if some Native Americans came to my door and said - we want our land back - I'd gladly tell them where to shove it. And I'd be prepared to fight for it. This land is my home and has been for 3 generations. Finders keepers!

I dont know if or how that applies to Israel and Palestine, mostly because I'm half asleep.

Wow, no offence but your a contradictory vermillion sponge...

You say that "that region" of the planet is uncivilized becouse its people arent "peaceful" and yet you say you dont care what the fuck happens in the world and who gets what (why are you in these forums then?) and finaly you top it off by saying if some indian came in and told you to get of "his" land you would shove it in his face becouse your family lived thier for "3 generations" big fucking deal you snarky herring, my family lived in one city since way before WW1, then the war came and they were forced the fuck off, do you see them saying "You cant do that! We have lived here for 6 Generations" no, they were forced off and they found a new place to live.

And why would a "native-american" want to say "get off MY land" when the Native Americans were a civilization which promoted sharing rather then indevidualism?

And another thing, YOU DIDNT READ WHAT I FUCKING POSTED EARLIER!!!

And ANOTHER thing, If I was to try and "colonize" a civilization and nearly destroy them at the attempt, I would gladly give "thier" back if they deserved it, but you see, they (native-americans) didnt fight hard enough for their land and now they winge, but I have to admit, they did do a whole lot better then the Aboriginal people of Australia who didnt do shit when the English took them over.

(edited) to strengthen my earlier point, that Native-Americans were peaceful, and you guys raped and pillaged thier land, so does that make Americans uncivilized?

-Edit: Don't flame or I'll start smacking you. None of that name calling BS.
-Your friendly Neighborhood Moderator

This post has been edited by Slade: 22 February 2006 - 01:38 AM

[Sailor Abbey]

You say that "that region" of the planet is uncivilized becouse its people arent "peaceful"

Thats not what i said.

you say you dont care what the fuck happens in the world and who gets what (why are you in these forums then?)

Because debating is fun. I have to admit, I really dont have much of an opinion on this particular subject.

and finaly you top it off by saying if some indian came in and told you to get of "his" land you would shove it in his face becouse your family lived thier for "3 generations"

Cobnat, I'm apart of this land. I worship it spirits and I take care of its creatures. My spirit is a part of this place and I will not just give it up because some guy used to live here a couple hundred years ago. I don't know about your family or the situation, but if somebody tried to take my land, I would either kill them or die trying. And I can respect anybody who feels that way. I'm not talking about america - I'm talking about the 80 acres my that belongs to my family.

And why would a "native-american" want to say "get off MY land" when the Native Americans were a civilization which promoted sharing rather then indevidualism?

I was just trying to illustrate a point.

And ANOTHER thing, If I was to try and "colonize" a civilization and nearly destroy them at the attempt, I would gladly give "thier" back if they deserved it, but you see, they (native-americans) didnt fight hard enough for their land and now they winge, but I have to admit, they did do a whole lot better then the Aboriginal people of Australia who didnt do shit when the English took them over.

(edited) to strengthen my earlier point, that Native-Americans were peaceful, and you guys raped and pillaged thier land, so does that make Americans uncivilized?

That was a long time ago and I didnt have anything to do with that. My family was still in Ireland, feasting on potatoes and Guinness.

And another thing, YOU DIDNT READ WHAT I FUCKING POSTED EARLIER!!!

Yeah I guess I missed it. What'd you say?

This post has been edited by Sailor Abbey: 21 February 2006 - 07:23 PM

[Cobnat]

Yeah I guess I missed it. What'd you say?

*shakes head* goddamnit, nevermind...

[Sailor Abbey]

I tried to go back and read your posts but I still dont know what specifically you are referring to.

[Cobnat]

I tried to go back and read your posts but I still dont know what specifically you are referring to.

Post #36 3rd page.

I was arguing with Jordan becouse of the comments he made, he also said something about GAZA being returned to Isreal becouse its "Jewish Land"... so I said...

"Hense your name "Jordian" Im suspecting? Just kidding, but if you do want Isreal to have Gaza then you must also agree with Serbia having Republica Srpska (the Serbian Land of Bosnia that has 90% Serbs living there) and India having Pakistan."

Then you said...

"K and America has to give its land back to the natives. And the Canadians have to give up their land to the natives. And the Australians have to give up their land to its natives…


…see where I’m going with this?



Finders keepers. And if you cant protect your stuff… finders keepers."

And I didnt know wheither you agread with me or not becouse it seemed like you were attacking me... so I insulted you and lost all respect I had for your opinion.

[Slade]

Cobnat: Remember what I said about playing nice?

[Cobnat]

Cobnat: Remember what I said about playing nice?

Sounds like something you would say, but I cant remember.

[Sailor Abbey]

And I didnt know wheither you agread with me or not becouse it seemed like you were attacking me... so I insulted you and lost all respect I had for your opinion.

Well... I'm not sure if I agreed with you or not. You see, I was falling asleep while typing. That and I cant say for sure what my opinion is on those countries because I don't know the whole story, such as whose land is whose, who was where first, how long they've been displaced from it. Maybe if you give me some more details I can give you a more specific answer. And why would you lose all respect for my opinion? Thats wierd. But, ok.

[Cobnat]

Well... I'm not sure if I agreed with you or not. You see, I was falling asleep while typing. That and I cant say for sure what my opinion is on those countries because I don't know the whole story, such as whose land is whose, who was where first, how long they've been displaced from it. Maybe if you give me some more details I can give you a more specific answer. And why would you lose all respect for my opinion? Thats wierd. But, ok.

Oh my, I was pissed at something else when I wrote that, sorry... HAHAHA I guess we were both in the wrong, you asleep and me pissed. HAHA

[Sailor Abbey]

So, should China get Taiwan back?

Just curious. Again, I dont know the whole situation, but its sorta the same concept right?