You got lucky there, Corvax. The weekend cam along so you don't have to wait for Cobnat's next explanation of his argument. For the record I agree with you that pregnancy doesn't make people responsible, at least not in the sense that he manet it. In the narrowest definition, yes, it makes the coupld responsible for a pregnancy hyuck hyuck, but come on. That argument would actually conclude that there are no bad parents. Come on Cobnat, didn't you see THE BREAKFAST CLUB?
As to whether the foetus feels pain, this isn't a part of the argument. If it t feels pain, it is a necessary effect of the operation, not some exagerraed and punitive pain such as you would get from torture. We don't consider pain as a part of our formula when deciding whether wars are moral, so etc. In fact pain should not be considered paert of any moral question unless it is the question itself, eg Is it ok to torture people?" or "Is it ok to randomly inflict pain?"
The question here is "Is it ok to proactively control the natural effects of the sex act, not for health but for for personal reasons?" I say yes, and then of course I like to throw in all that jazz about how in this matter men have no reproductive freedom, because really we don't. And yes, Madame Corvax, I am sorry that you live in Poland where the Catholics are still fucking with your rights. Where you are, where women do NOT have the freedom I propose we extend to men, then of course, I would never suggest that any man be allowed to avoid child support. In Poland and in siumilar countries, child support may be the penalty for casual sex (So too here, but here I say it shouldn't be).
PS: Slade edited my flaming remarks in the previous post so quickly it made my head spin. I will never say anything bad about Big Brother again! Do it to Julia! Do it to Julia!
"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).