Somali piracy
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 11:33 PM
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 01:51 AM
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 03:35 AM
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 12:02 PM
Which will probably prompt a comment about how China is REALLY just another piggy capitalist country in disguise, eh?
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 12:09 PM
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 07:26 PM
The Somali pirates may be a result of crazy capitalism. And I do sympathize with them too. I mean, they're just doing what they can to get by. But even if they're a result of the capitalists, I doubt that they're actively fighting against them in the name of Communism. They're more actively fighting against them in the name of gimme some goddamn money I'm hungry.
Poor people stealing isn't communism. They may need it, and Communism may get it for them, but I don't doubt that most of the Somali pirates would be more than happy to take more than their 'fair share'
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 02:32 AM
I think whether its their stated goal or not, they are still fighting multinational interests by their actions. The fact that NATO and so forth have gotten involved makes it clear that the actions are in some fashion bothering the imperialist powers. If only in that it shows that poor people, should they be desperate enough, are ready to take up arms and take what they need (or more).
As for the china talk, its possible for a nation to be imperialist without being openly or ideologically capitalist, Che Guevara himself said that.
I said nothing about communism. Communism is a tool to fight imperialism. So is piracy it seems. Imperialism is a sympthom of capitalism but not exclusive to capitalism. Fighting imperialism, likewise, is not exclusive to communism.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 07:40 AM
Overfishing has nothing to do with Somalia being a failed state.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 08:07 PM
First of all, I never said anyone was a communist, I dont know who even did. And the pirates have very little to do with the warlord clans that maintain the state of anarchy there. As for attacking aid ships, yeah that does occasionally happen I'm sure, but aid ships are not their target and they dont take them as often as you seem to think, simply because packs of bulk rice are not as profitable or useful as other things, and that rice is going to Somalia anyhow.
Children? Abused? Prostitutes? Doing drugs? Not even all Somalis! Why they're monsters!
Edit: I'm sorry I just caught your meaning that they purposely hire protitutes who are abused children in order to abuse them? Is this abuse outside the normal realm of prostitution? I'm a bit fuzzy on the subject. Were the prostitutes already pre-abused? Does that make them better prostitutes and thats why they are preferable to non abused ones?
You really don't like pirates. You don't happen to be a commodore in the Royal Navy or something do you?
Fair enough, but it does have a lot to do with their fishery industry collapsing and leading people with boats to resort to piracy, which is what we're talking about.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 08:22 PM
The Foreign boats fishing in these waters are doing so on their own terms without endorsement from their governments. It's neither capitalistic nor imperialistic; it's just blatant theft.
I agree that something should be done. However, the Somalis first (and probably worst) option was forming a pirates club. This group quickly disseminated into a brotherhood of thieves.
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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:08 PM
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Posted 07 July 2009 - 11:39 PM
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 08:36 PM
And for that their fishermen deserve to just give up and starve? This is an attempt by poor folks not only to protect whats theirs, but to take more. The root cause is not the situation of Somalia's government, but the capitalists who chose to take advantage of that.
I never made a "capitalistic" comment because capitalist is the adjective and noun form of capitalist, there neednt be any IC at the end. I would like to know why you consider the exploitation of a weakened government and its people to not be an example of imperialism or capitalist greed.
Your comment that it is just blatant theft, well, really. imperialism IS just blatant theft, at least today it is. Formerly governments set up protectorates, puppet states or actual colonies. Now we simply bribe the right people into collusion and take what we want from the developing world.
Yep, the poor stealing from the rich isnt really something I'm too worried about. Maybe my views will change when I go to investigate.
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