StormJariten, although I think you make several good points, you must realize that you will never convince people like Barend or Despondent that anything in the prequel movies is good. I started posting on this forum before ROTS, and it was quite clear that they decided they were not going to like the movie before it came out.Anything huh, nope, nobody ever bitches about the music. Nobody. Why, the musical scores kick absolute ass, period. Fight scene with Obi-wan + Qui-gon vs. Darth Maul = friggin awsome. Especially at the beginning where they take off the extra clothing = totally badass. There are a few things that actually can and are appreciated by even the most hardcore of PT bashers.
I can admit that if you closely examine the prequel movies, they definitely have their faults. In fact, I only really like ROTS. What I find most interesting though is that these "bashers" consistently ignore all of the ridiculous faults that are consistently present in the OT. They claim that the PT doesn't live up to the level of the OT, but the OT really wasn't that good either. Last time I checked, each of the OT films were in at at least one time and probably still are the top 100 films of all time. Not really that good huh.
I'll try not to get fanboy about these nitpicks of yours when defending them.
Here's a few examples nitpicks from ESB which people just cannot defend.
1. The Falcon leaves Hoth, chased by the entire Imperial Fleet. Luke leaves Hoth and there isn't a ship in sight. It makes no sense.A, it's a big ass sky. B, he's probobly at least trying to avoid any non-disabled imperial vessels. C, I'd wager the ion cannon disabled more than one Imperial ship. D, The Imperial fleet is probably spread out a little in order to slow down any ships that come into their area long enough for back up to arrive. E, You think they're worried about a single fighter, or any of the Rebels bigger ships that probably is much more valuable?
2. The Falcon hiding on the back of a Star Destroyer without being noticed. How does the Falcon fly past the Avenger bridge window and attach to the back of the ship in less than 4 seconds?Good point, especially since they were coming at them at what looked to be quite fast. I'm not sure, maybe they hovered for a second or something. I'll have to watch it again sometime.
3. The Falcon not noticing Boba Fett following them when they leave the garbage heap.Maybe Fett had a little stealth modifications to his ship. They were surrounded by plenty of big hunks of garbage at the time, and had just lost the Imperials. Maybe they just weren't on the lookout, and probably don't have rear veiw mirrors. What you should really be asking is how they Hell did he get there before they did?
4. How does Luke learn how to use a lightsaber? Obi-Wan had him do one drill with a little sphere, and suddenly he's good enough to hold his own against Darth Vader? Well, because he didn't do jack squat with it in the time that takes place between the two films, now did he? I'll wager he got some practice in here and there. A lightsabre is basically a sword. How hard is to figure out how to use a sword at least a little bit on your own.
5. How can people walk around outside on Cloud City? If I was at the top of Mt.Everest, could I casually walk around?At least the wind blows
6. How does Luke find Bespin? If he used the force to find Cloud City, why didn't Vader use the force to find Hoth?I have to watch the films again, but I think Yoda said something along the lines of the Force choosing what it wanted to show you sometimes. And how are you sure Vader didn't use the Force. After seeing the picture of the generator, he says "The Rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." Oh, and as for Vader using Luke's buddies as bait, how do you figure he thought Luke was going to try and come to their rescue? E-mail?
7. Why is Darth Vader able to absorb blaster shots?Guess what, his armor also partially protects him from lightsabers. Luke doesn't just slice clean through when he gets Vader on the shoulder. Maybe Vader's armor has a cortosis weave or something. If you really want to get into EU stuff (which I doubt) I could look it up in the near future.
8. How could Luke possibly survive the fall in cloud city?Because he doesn't smack right into any hard surfaces. What you want to ask is how did he manage to make it into that hole?
9. How can the Falcon crew casually walk around inside an asteroid?They've got moxi?
10. If Vader wanted the Falcon crew alive, why did he have TIE bombers drop explosives into the asteroid caves? Maybe because one bomb probably wouldn't destroy the ship (or kill everybody, because I don't think he needed to capture all of them). They were just trying to flush them out of they're hiding place.
11. A great mystery: How long does it take to activate the Executor tractor beam? Evidentally 5 minutes for the operator to move his finger down to push the button.Hmm, I've got nothing. Maybe they weren't in range. Maybe they weren't flying were the tractor beam was pointing (I thought they only had them on the underside of the Star Destroyers). Maybe it was his first day on the job.
12. Han and Leia's unexplained romance that developed between ANH and ESB."You think a princess and a guy like me", and to really stretch it "I knew there was more to you than money" Anyways, I thought their romance began in ESB, not somewheres in between.
13. Yoda, the horrible teacher. If my student fails at a task (ie.lifting the X-Wing), I'll just do it for him. Good lesson, Yoda!Luke didn't even believe that it was even possible. Yoda was only giving him a one shot anyways ("Do or do not ...") How is setting a good example a bad thing? Would it have been better to have Luke keep on trying and trying to do something that he already was sure could not be done? Did you want to have the rest of the movie be Luke trying to get the X-wing out of the swamp. Don't be ridiculous. Oh, since when did you become an expert on teaching people anyways (Point is, you don't have to be, but if you manage to get your student to learn something, than I suppose you taught them something)?
I could go on and on and on, but there's no point. The fact is, I liked ROTS and others didn't. It sucks to be them.Your right, it does suck. I can not be blissfully ignorant about it (not trying to sound mean, its just the wording).
This post has been edited by Zatoichi: 10 December 2005 - 02:14 AM
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