I saw AOTC for the first time in ages last night ...and it was better
#1
Posted 12 October 2005 - 10:27 PM
OK, so the crap bits are still crap. These are largely confined to A and A’s love scenes, but now even these occasionally flicker with a great “No, don’t do it!” sense of unease.
What were rudimentary scenes before are now loaded with potent, esp. the introduction of the clones and the line “They are totally obedient, taking any order without question”. Infact, whereas I originally saw Obi’s plot line as a fun throwback to 40’s film noir detective series (which it undoubtedly is), now I can’t watch it without thinking that the whole operation is going to end with Order 66.
It was almost like watching it for the first time again. Anakins doomed attempt to rescue his mother made the character sympathetic in ways that I don’t remember from previous viewings. You know, the kid really can’t let go (even after the advice his mother gave him in TPM), but this makes him (unlike a lot of the Jedi) human. The end battles are still a blast, and I imagine they would lead quite well into the OSP of ROTS if watched in order.
Now, I’ve always liked this film, just that last nights viewing was the most fun I’ve had with the film since opening night summer 2002.
#2
Posted 13 October 2005 - 11:42 AM
THink about it. They are both falling in love, what else would someone say to the other if you knew that it was illegal to marry. yud say that it would destroy both of you. it would ruin your lives and it would be hard to keep such a thing a secret. the reason the kiss hurt so bad was because she liked it so much but knew that she shouldnt fall in love. He was surprised and yet acting sarcastic when he asked"you love me?" after such a horrible conversation with padme, and then she says she loves him, that would be really confusing. They had great bonding scenes. when they were running around in the field, that was great(even though we could have done with out that weird pig). but seeing anakin roll over laughing brought a warm sense of humanity to me. the talks they had on the passenger ship were good. anakin was trying to find a loophole so that he could be with the woman he loved so much. that was also symbolic of what the jedi order should be; recognizing love as not something forbidden, but something necessary for life. My favorite love scene was the dinner scene. Him using the force and feeding her was just great. YOu can argue about how that is corny, but i ask the ladies on this site. if your boyfriend cut an apple and put the slice in your mouth, at a sunset dinner, would that not be romantic?
This post has been edited by Revan-47: 13 October 2005 - 11:49 AM
#4
Posted 13 October 2005 - 01:39 PM
The whole Jedi's secretly/knowingly/dook-who? create the clones so that one day they'll all be killed by the clones is not satisfying to this OT fan, anyway.
Think about it: Jango couldn't kill Jedi (obi-wan) so OF COURSE x-number Jango clones could kill x-number Jedi by surprise attack. Maybe if they were the pompous jedi council of ep 1 and 2, but Order 66 was under battle conditions. And don't tell me it was a brilliant surprise execution. First thing Ben taught Luke was to close your eyes and be prepared to swing at unseen danger. Oh right- that's the OT.
#5
Posted 13 October 2005 - 02:22 PM
Maybe this is where "the darkside clouds everything" and the concept of fate plays a role. The Jedi could not sense the attack coming because the Force essentially abandoned them -- as part of the balancing act in response to the restrictions the council had placed upon Force users.
I don't have time to develop this idea now, but...more to come!
#6
Posted 13 October 2005 - 03:12 PM
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
#7
Posted 13 October 2005 - 06:34 PM
I liked that scene too, for exactly the same reason. Overall, I thought the ideas of the Ep2 love story (essentially a ‘forbidden romance’ story) were fine. It’s just the general execution I have a problem with. Not only the dialogue, but the stiff direction. Having said that, they were essential to the overall story, and its hard to watch them now without feeling a stab of anxiety.
Despondant, did you post in the wrong thread? Anyway, are you talking about that remote here? Y’know, the thing that Luke knew was there?
#8
Posted 13 October 2005 - 06:42 PM
Ack, they knew the clone troops were "there". Besides, Luke wasn't a fully trained Jedi Knight or Master, only a Force-sensitive being.
Yeah I know they probably didn't see the attack from their own troops coming, but damn it could have been made to look like the Jedi tried to fight back. That, and the fact that in post-ROTS EU material, the clone troops were trained to be absolutely loyal to the Jedi generals. Now suddenly (or not quite, perhaps) they turn on them withou a care. It would have been cool for one of the commanders to argue with Palpatine and perhaps be killed by an inferior officer.
This post has been edited by Zatoichi: 13 October 2005 - 06:42 PM
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
#9
Posted 13 October 2005 - 11:25 PM
#10
Posted 14 October 2005 - 01:37 AM
Maybe I'm way off.
Hey, Jariten, I appreciate your comment that Anakin's inability to let go makes him human. It's ironic that this very quality eventually stamps out most of his humanity.
#11
Posted 14 October 2005 - 08:52 AM
Well good, somebody needs to present it to the hungry audience in a palletable way. Luc-hiss didn't.
the chAOTiC film led us further down the darkside. Where OT fans despair and fear the worst.
And that WAS the sense that jump-started this webforum, God Bless it.
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btw, the council being all clouded and not able to use the force is a joke. that's like showing up for work everyday and being fine with nothing getting ever produced. (fine: cite the Bush administration) Or going to see your favorite SF franchise again and again with less and less hope or expectation.
#12
Posted 14 October 2005 - 12:32 PM
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"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
#13
Posted 16 October 2005 - 11:05 PM
I think this was Lucas’ intention. To suggest that what the Jedi view as terrible flaws of character, we would look at and say, “well, maybe that’s what I would do too”.
Despondant, you’re making less and less sense every post you make. Could you take me through your last comment again please?
#14
Posted 17 October 2005 - 08:41 AM
Fine, we'll keep it AOTC related. A finer point to the blade that is: the prequels suck.
Chefelf's Prequels suck lists led to this forum. A place where bashers belly up to the bar. There was a time we didn't allow your kind here by default.
the council in the clouds were as ineffective as Lucas' editors. Here's where I salute Civilian for not submitting to the drivel.
And "Despondent" has an E at the end.
You can't understand my posts yet you Defend Lucas' tripe and annotate for hours?
#15
Posted 17 October 2005 - 06:45 PM
You posted this. I can't figure out how this is a critique of, or even how it relates to the film we're talking about. I'm still surprised at peoples refusal to believe that the darkside was powerful enough to cloud the good (there was certainly enough talk of it in the films), or is it that people hate the idea that the Jedi weren't a group of invincible wizards?
and "your kind"? come on, you're better than that.
Well, this wasn't meant to be insulting, but in hindsight, obviously a mistake on my part. Anyway, back to AOTC (?).