darwin? evolution? WTF?
#16
Posted 18 September 2005 - 04:54 PM
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
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#18
Posted 19 September 2005 - 07:33 PM
how did these two groups argue before the theory of evolution came about...
436BC
christian:God exists because the bible tells us so!
atheist:no he doesn't... we all er... uh... made ourselves!
christian:oh please.... come back when you have a descent theory!
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#19
Posted 19 September 2005 - 07:38 PM
Towards the atheists of course. For my views, read through this and other topics at the fore-front of debate.
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
#20
Posted 19 September 2005 - 07:56 PM
First thing when arguing evolution: evolution was an established theory by Darwin's time - Origin of Species argued a method by which evolution ocurred - Lamarck proposed his theory on the generation of forms in the year Darwin was born, so evolution was actually a theory in the works in Darwin's time - simply wasn't mainstream, the mainstream theory still being Genesis.
Darwin did not understand the factors of inheritance - Mendel's genes were discovered in his time and not really noticed until the twentieth century.
These days, biologists do not treat Origin of Species as a gospel, rather as a pioneering work. Modern evolutionary theory (and before anyone goes 'Creation Science' on me, evolution is a fact - natural selection is a theory) is a refined form of the natural selection theory espoused in Origin of Species - and there are differences, but just because one biologist may believe in gradualism while the other believes in punctuated equilibrium doesn't mean they disagree on the fundamental point of evolution by natural selection.
Current evolutionary theory has that microevolution (characteristics within a species) and macroevolution (speciation) occur by the addition of characters by spontaneous mutation, and the removal of characters that do not contribute to survival, growth and reproductive success by selective pressure on said characters.
Dramatic changes that some people say refutes evolution occur by the major mutations - such as polyploidy or HOX gene mutations.
That'll cover all the bases for now.
#21
Posted 19 September 2005 - 11:00 PM
i think it's the other way around.
and even then natural selection is tampered with too often, but as long as we're part of nature, it all still balances out for the purposes of diminished responsibility and terminology.
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#22
Posted 20 September 2005 - 01:26 PM
but thats just not practicle. upon review the debate, i realized that, not being an anthropologist, i just dont have the verifiable information required to "debunk evolution with evolution".
therefore, let me say that i do not firmly believe in anything. no doubt everyone of us is missing some vital information about the origin of the univerese that could alter our opinions one way or another. so, i have to stall again since i am at work; but presently i will put forth the doubts ive been harboring for some time now, so that you all may help form an informed opinion.
#23
Posted 20 September 2005 - 04:55 PM
And Barend - not the other way around. Evolution is the one you can observe in laboratories and the fossil record and is held by the vast mass of biologists to be fact, while natural selection is a rigorously tested theory of the mechanism by which evolution takes place.
#24
Posted 20 September 2005 - 06:34 PM
i suppose when man invented the leaf blower we proved that man made it to the top out of luck...
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#25
Posted 21 September 2005 - 12:20 AM
i suppose when man invented the leaf blower we proved that man made it to the top out of luck...
Bah. Man is nowhere near the top. Man is out competing some other mammals, but that's the end of it. Man will be gone long before the microorganisms that survive to decompose him.
#26
Posted 21 September 2005 - 02:11 AM
by the time our run is through, nothing will be able to live on this planet!
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#27
Posted 21 September 2005 - 09:35 AM
#28
Posted 21 September 2005 - 04:17 PM
From this, we can conclude that you're argument is crap and that I win. If you cannot understand this conclusion, you should probably get back on your medication.
PS. This is my tribute to Hannibal, wherever he may be.
#29
Posted 21 September 2005 - 06:25 PM
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#30
Posted 21 September 2005 - 07:07 PM
Professor Giraffenstein says: