A question regarding Samuel L. Jackson If you hate him in these films...
#1
Posted 08 May 2005 - 11:43 PM
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an obi-wan to go.
#2
Posted 08 May 2005 - 11:52 PM
#3
Posted 09 May 2005 - 12:47 AM
"This Party's over"??? Who says that in Star Wars. What seasoned, lethal, experienced, Master, swordSmith, teacher, respected elder would say THAT? Why not start in with some other earthly type sayings like, "Your ass is as dead as fried chicken", or "We're gonna be like 3 little Fonzies here".
Purple lightsaber? It is obvious the character has these things and says these lines because Sam Jackson wanted to say them and GL's kids thought it would be RAD to have him do it.
The ONLY reason he should have been in the PT is to have turned out to be a bad guy. That would have beenawesome for him. It would explain why he acts like such a subdued dork in EPI too.
#4
Posted 09 May 2005 - 12:57 AM
1. There really is no reason for them to be so untrusting of Anakin. Yes, they could tell that "his future was cloudy", but this leads them to be consistently paranoid of Anakin. In most scenes involving Anakin and the Jedi Council, even when Anakin is a child, he is treated poorly from all members of the council. No wonder he is so bitter. I think Anakin would have turned out much differently if Qui Gon was his master.
2. The rescuing of Obi Wan and Anakin from the Geonosis Arena is unacceptable. Surely they must have realized the odds they were against, and the majority of Jedi who went to help were killed by the overwhelming droid army. Sacrificing 30 Jedi to save two is quite ridiculous, especially since the Jedi are to have no attachments to people. This sense of arrogance among the Jedi is probably what got them all killed.
3. When Dooku asks for the surrender of the Jedi in the arena, it is foolish for Mace Windu to refuse. If the clone army had not intervened, they would all have been killed. When Jango caught Padme and Anakin, did they surrender? When the destroyer droid kidnapped Obi-Wan, did he surrender? Surely even a "great" Jedi like Mace Windu must realize that surrender is an acceptable option at times. If Anakin and Obi-Wan did not initially surrender, they too would have been killed.
Mace Windu is a fool, as well as the rest of the Jedi. I will find ROTS to be a much better movie if Mace Windu is killed. Also, I think his lines such as "This party's over" and "I don't think so!" are absolutely hilarious. You see, making the Jedi seem this retarded will make it easier for us to accept that the Jedi were nearly made extinct.
This post has been edited by Storm: 09 May 2005 - 01:01 AM
#6
Posted 09 May 2005 - 07:33 AM
And what Storm said above. In general, my basic thoughts on Jedi is that even ONE Jedi can make a difference in a situation. Example, Luke in ANH. The odds against the Rebellion were stacked. There is no way they should've lost by all accounts, but one man one man who isn't even a full Jedi yet... one man with the Force on his side... makes all the difference in turning the tide against the Empire... yet, all of those Jedi--a hundred or more of them?---can't even win a battle against machines.
I guess they weren't listening to their midi's....
This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 09 May 2005 - 07:36 AM
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#7
Posted 09 May 2005 - 08:11 AM
#8
Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:42 AM
I guess they weren't listening to their midi's....
Good point. Luke's Jedi training was more or less crash course and look what he accompolished - blowing up the original Death Star as well as rescuing his friends from a bunch of scurvy desert thugs, thugs who could actually think at least, whereas all these Jedi in the prequels can't even handle a bunch of mindless machines that resemble Daffy Duck. It's a miracle among miracles that they lasted over 1000 generations - or for that matter, a generation.
It's amazing we can even take the Jedi for being arrogant, given how flat the line readings are.
And remember, Qui-Gon should not have been a part of the equation! But that's getting off topic, so let's get back to Sam. Yes, his lines were ridiculous, yet I still find hating his performance in the prequels to be exceedingly difficult.
This post has been edited by Lord Aquaman: 09 May 2005 - 09:43 AM
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an obi-wan to go.
#10
Posted 09 May 2005 - 03:27 PM
#12
Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:47 AM
I have to say that ITA with your statement, Sagacity. It pretty much sums up, I think, what others are feeling about Samuel L. in the PT.
I can't say that I was any kind of Samuel L. fan - I'm not into Tarrentino films nor the kind of films Sam generally tends to be in. But I was intrigued and impressed when I heard that he was cast in TPM. I initially thought that GL was truly branching out and creating a nice, diverse Star Wars universe (the way Star Trek has always been diverse).
Coming back to topic, I remember asking another SW fanatic who Samuel L. would portray in TPM. She said, with all this enthusiasm, "oh! he plays a Jedi master named Mace!" That was it. End of sentence. I remember looking at her and waiting for her to continue with some "character background" on this Mace. Nothing.
For all my friend's enthusiasm, she had nothing more to say about Mace Windu and, as sad as it is, that's pretty much what I've seen on screen: Samuel L. Jackson is playing a Jedi Master named Mace Windu. And that's about it. We haven't been given anything else (not on screen anyway, the book Shatterpoint does a fine job of giving us more on Mace).
As Sagacity said, "an ill-conceived character" [on-screen anyway] and as others have said, Samuel L. seems wasted in the role.
Although, I have to confess: I do like the line, "this party's over". I know, it's more of a Sam Jackson-ism rather than something we've come to expect a Jedi to say; but then again, who expected Anakin aka Darth Vader to run around saying "Yippee!". Also, we know Jedi come from all over the galaxy, who's to say they can't have their own speech idiosyncrasies? (and NO comments about ebonics or "ghetto speak" - if I read any such things I'll have to bring out my "Lady Vader" side and crush some tracheas
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#13
Posted 17 May 2005 - 03:34 PM
And the purple Lightsaber does suck, in my opinion. But then again, I can't stand purple. So I have no logical beef against either one, just a personal reaction.
#14
Posted 17 May 2005 - 03:50 PM
He could have been the Han Solo character that the prequels so desperately need. He would be entirely convincing in that kind of role. He'd make the perfect Star Wars rogue. Yeah, the Lando Calrissian comparisons would be inevitable, but whereas Lando is smooth and diplomatic, Jackson could be a no-nonsense toughie.
As a Jedi Master, he is just not believable. Plus Mace Windu is a total nothing character.
#15
Posted 18 May 2005 - 12:06 AM
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