Palpatine Wielding A Lightsaber Males No Sense.... Especially if GL Made the Sith Master More Than A One Trick Pony
#1
Posted 05 July 2006 - 05:57 PM
#3
Posted 05 July 2006 - 10:38 PM
#4
Posted 06 July 2006 - 12:16 AM
Or did they get upset in the Jedi Knight novel when it explicitly said that Yoda had a lightsaber? (this was also mentioned in other sources like Star Wars: Behind the Magic, IIRC and the SW Visual Dictionary).
So why would it be not be silly for these guys to have lightsabers, but not use them?
No offense, but I can buy Yoda "hanging up his [Lightsaber]" after giving up the ways of war, and then being dragged out of retirement to train the young upstart, or Palpatine letting his blade get dusty for years of overconfidence after all his enemies are thought dead... but the idea that they would simply be incapable of using one? Even so, where was the protest over the EU's implication that these guys did in fact know how to saber duel with the best of them, long before the Prequels showed us as much?
(and also, the idea of old fogies being unable to fight energetically was dispelled by AOTC, but I suppose you could blame it for that idea... which makes Lucas' explanation of the ANH duel being "slow" by prequel standards seem silly now)
This post has been edited by KurganX: 06 July 2006 - 12:18 AM
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:35 AM
Or did they get upset in the Jedi Knight novel when it explicitly said that Yoda had a lightsaber? (this was also mentioned in other sources like Star Wars: Behind the Magic, IIRC and the SW Visual Dictionary).
Never read them. If ain't in a movie, it didn't happen.
No offense, but I can buy Yoda "hanging up his [Lightsaber]" after giving up the ways of war, and then being dragged out of retirement to train the young upstart, or Palpatine letting his blade get dusty for years of overconfidence after all his enemies are thought dead... but the idea that they would simply be incapable of using one? Even so, where was the protest over the EU's implication that these guys did in fact know how to saber duel with the best of them, long before the Prequels showed us as much?
It was a letdown because Lucas had already set up the idea that these guys were "beyond" such simple means of combat. Yoda in ESB seems truly at one with the Force...everything around could be a defensive weapon if need be. A lightsabre would be a downgrade for him. And in ROTJ, Palp's using the lightning, at the time, was incredible. I remember being MUCH more impressed with that than guys swinging a laser sword around. Lucas screwed it up himself by deciding to "downgrade" the Force lightning power in the later films, but when it first showed up, it seemed massively powerful and pretty much unstoppable, and something only a few Jedis, dark or otherwise, would be able to master.
Both of these guys having to use lightsabres is like someone with a tank having to get out and fight with their pistol.
#6
Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:02 AM
In my mind, there are no prequels. Everything before ANH is speculative history that will dominate my imagination forever!
#8
Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:31 PM
Exactly, only a mere 20 years ago!! In human scale terms, that's less than two years for an 80 year old man! It's pure BULLSHIT to me that only in the last few years of his life, Yoda would suddenly say, "Oh, war is bad, better not use my saber anymore..."
This is something he should've realized CENTURIES AGO!!!! Yoda should be the master who is above it all!! In the PT's he's far too concerned with the war and politics, and yadayadayadayoda... when he should focus attention on his "religion"--to a true believer, and comparing it to some hardcore Christians (not knocking them here), this is all that matters, their beliefs, not the material/physical world---and Yoda says as much in ESB. Where is the bloody confusion on this.
Of course, this is all before PT's transformed the Jedi into superwarriors chosen by the number of icky-things in their body, making the 'religion' aspect of the Force fully void and null!
In the end, Yoda's presence in the PT should've been minimized or not at all. And if he's in it minimally, it should reveal the power he possesses as a master, not a swordsman, because he's above and beyond that, and Palpatine should be the evil reflection of that.
This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 06 July 2006 - 01:38 PM
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#11
Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:19 PM
You proved how the novels suck just as much as the PT with that one question.
#12
Posted 07 July 2006 - 01:42 AM
This is something he should've realized CENTURIES AGO!!!! Yoda should be the master who is above it all!! In the PT's he's far too concerned with the war and politics, and yadayadayadayoda... when he should focus attention on his "religion"--to a true believer, and comparing it to some hardcore Christians (not knocking them here), this is all that matters, their beliefs, not the material/physical world---and Yoda says as much in ESB. Where is the bloody confusion on this.
Of course, this is all before PT's transformed the Jedi into superwarriors chosen by the number of icky-things in their body, making the 'religion' aspect of the Force fully void and null!
In the end, Yoda's presence in the PT should've been minimized or not at all. And if he's in it minimally, it should reveal the power he possesses as a master, not a swordsman, because he's above and beyond that, and Palpatine should be the evil reflection of that.
CowboyCurtis
I've heard some prequel supporters reason that Yoda and Obi-Wans views on the Force
changed dramatically over those years in hiding. It would appear that things such as The
Clone Wars, The Jedi Purge, The Empire forming and Anakin's fall changed their outlook on
war and the Force. When Qui-Gon had mastered surviving after death and Yoda then became
his student. If you look at the age they started training Luke and the fact Luke had
many attachments showed that their outlooks changed, they had a very long time to reflect on
what wnet wrong with Anakin's training and perhaps they didn't want that to repeat when they trained Luke. You could consider that possibility.
I do agree that neither Yoda or Sidious should have used Lightsabers, but perhaps Lucas was only giving the fanboys what they really wanted, instead of these feats elevating both it drastically down graded them as they should both be beyond that form of combat, especially Yoda.
#13
Posted 07 July 2006 - 08:28 AM
changed dramatically over those years in hiding. It would appear that things such as The
Clone Wars, The Jedi Purge, The Empire forming and Anakin's fall changed their outlook on
war and the Force. When Qui-Gon had mastered surviving after death and Yoda then became
his student. If you look at the age they started training Luke and the fact Luke had
many attachments showed that their outlooks changed, they had a very long time to reflect on
what wnet wrong with Anakin's training and perhaps they didn't want that to repeat when they trained Luke. You could consider that possibility.
I dont support the storytelling technique of major character and plot changes coming after the movie is over, which has become standard for the PT and ROTJ.
"Anakin is a great pilot, but all his Top Gun stuff came in between the movies"
"The Rebels are strong again, but their comeback came in between the movies"
I could go on and on.....
#14
Posted 07 July 2006 - 11:00 AM
"Anakin is a great pilot, but all his Top Gun stuff came in between the movies"
"The Rebels are strong again, but their comeback came in between the movies"
I could go on and on.....
I agree with you there. Its as if all the relevant stuff takes place "supposedly" off screen
but we are given things that are frankly not important in the films and, the list goes on. I also don't buy the Qui-Gon was the first Jedi to learn immortality after he died, its just an example of Lucas running out of time because he didn't care enough to come up with a valid reason as to how a Jedi can live on through the force, especially considering Qui-Gon didn't vanish upon death.
This post has been edited by Azrael23: 07 July 2006 - 11:00 AM