Jedi Corpses Some vanish, some don't
#16
Posted 22 May 2005 - 12:40 PM
He does not appear as a ghost, but only as a voice, presumably because his connection to the physical plane is rather weak. This is because he did not practice the "technique" for 20 years before he died. Obi-wan and Yoda do practice the technique -- "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." Did you notice how confused Vader looks after Obi-wan disappears? Well, as confused as a man in a mask can look, anyway....
Obviously, Anakin had never seen something like that before.
Anakin does not vanish after his redemption. I think I've read that George Lucas felt that this would be too confusing, since Anakin is mostly a machine, anyway. Personally, I would have what's left of his body vanish, leaving only the armor -- maybe this can be fixed in one of the next few "special editions" that Lucas will inflict on us.
Oh, and why does Anakin join the Force, even though he didn't practice the technique? His final act of heroism fulfilled his destiny, reconciling him with his son, Luke, and his "father," the Force. It feels right to have him appear as a Force ghost.
#17
Posted 22 May 2005 - 01:41 PM
And we do not know if he was the only Jedi in history who managed it. There could have been hundreds that just didn't CONTACT YODA, like QUI-GON did!
Firstly, I haven't seen RotS yet, but I have seen some of Qui-Gon's dialogue and I simply don't believe that it was 'explained well'. Secondly, it's still ridiculous that no one else had ever thought to 'contact' Yoda or another Jedi before. Thirdly, I wasn't even talking about the ghost thing in the first place, but the thing with Jedi's bodies disappearing when they die.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#18
Posted 22 May 2005 - 03:47 PM
#19
Posted 22 May 2005 - 05:47 PM
I couldnt help but notice that the IQ level of this board dropped about 45% while I was away. The only blanks you have to fill in yourself are small, and these detail exactly how did Qui Gon do it? The reason why its not explained is that it does not need to be explained for it to work. I mean, wasnt a lot of the uproar about the midis based on the idea that it demystified the force (which it didnt anyway)? Doesnt this take the inner workings of the force back down that road where things feel slightly opaque and myterious? or would you have prefered a "take two pills a night and absolutly no sex!" kind of explanation?
but wait, I would say all that! because i'm a mindless gusher (even though I took the time to point out a flaw in the system myself, which you conviniently ignored) blah blah etc. etc.
p.s thanks for the 'sarcasm' tags, I never would've figured it out otherwise.
This post has been edited by jariten: 22 May 2005 - 05:49 PM
#20
Posted 22 May 2005 - 06:51 PM
#21
Posted 23 May 2005 - 04:16 AM
Apologies Helena.
#22
Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:29 AM
#23
Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:15 AM
but wait, I would say all that! because i'm a mindless gusher (even though I took the time to point out a flaw in the system myself, which you conviniently ignored) blah blah etc. etc.
p.s thanks for the 'sarcasm' tags, I never would've figured it out otherwise.
You're missing the point. I don't give a stuff how the 'Force ghost' thing actually works; the point is that it makes no sense that Qui-Gon would have worked out how to do this when no one else had before. The extent to which the story has come to depend on Qui-Gon, a character who never appeared in the OT and shouldn't even have been in the PT either, is ridiculous. Why the fuck isn't it him teaching Luke in the OT if he's so incredibly wise and all-knowing?
The thing that would need an explanation, which is what we were talking about in the first place (did you even read my post above?), is why some of the Jedi's bodies disappear on their deaths and others' (Qui-Gon's included) do not.To be honest, I really don't care all that much anyway - but if you insist on trying to explain it you'd better come up with a good explanation that's supported by the movies, not just something you dreamed up on the spur of the moment. For heavens' sake, if you can see an obvious flaw in your own explanation, why bother to post it in the first place?
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#24
Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:18 AM
That's a good point, and totally supports our argument. I wouldn't have thought of that as quick as you did, my friend.
#25
Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:13 AM
Qui Gon died in battle as did Obi Wan, however Qui Gon did not disappear
#27
Posted 23 May 2005 - 09:08 AM
#28
Posted 23 May 2005 - 09:36 AM
Ah yea, that'd make it more logical that is true. My memory fails me, did Qui Gon die instantly? Or was he wounded, then laid there for a while? Either way, yea he could still have been reluctant, not ready to die.
#29
Posted 23 May 2005 - 10:46 AM
#30
Posted 23 May 2005 - 10:59 AM
Why do you find it so hard to buy? The only other way out is to have the Jedi join the force automatically, which would have been a mistake as it wouldve greatly reduced the power (and purpose) of them all being wiped out. If if wasnt Qui Gon, who else could it have been? some EU character from 500 years before TPM, a jedi not even in the films? Or perhaps Yoda could have read it in some book (i actually heard this was the case, thank God its not). sorry, I think its far, far more interesting dramatically to have the focus of this new power be a Jedi we already know and care about.