[Heccubus]

Dave Blood of the Dead Milkmen passed away Wednesday morning. Sadness.

[barend]

another influential musician taken away from us (these last few years have really sucked).

heavens' full of old school punks at the moment!

[Reader]

There aren't a lot of people in rock coming to take their place - it seems electronica is the new subversive sound these days.

[Heccubus]

I'd agree with that, since punk has become a little whiny boys club, rather than a rebellious subculture. Kind of sad, really.

[Reader]

Yea. when i hear a lot of the stuff on Brave New Waves, i realize how the parents of baby boomers (and teens of the 50's) must have felt when they heard rock n roll - noise!!!

But hey, i love some electronica, and who doesn't love scratch DJing? ... but the kind of stuff that's being lauded as musically revolutionary is just... a simple curiosity. I can't understand it... i'm must be really out of it.

[Heccubus]

Scratch DJing is good, but it can only do so much. I'm more into the experimental side, and the beat-based stuff. The only DJ that I really like is DJ Shadow. Maybe Kid Koala, but I haven't heard much of his stuff. Other than that, I'm all about the Chemical Brothers, UNKLE, Bjork (obviously), The Dust Brothers (mostly for their work with Beck), and stuff like that. People who do something a little different. I also really like the synth stuff that the Flaming Lips do, but I don't think they can be considered electronica.

[looktothesky]

I will never be able to learn turntables or disc scratching in this lifetime, so I'm afraid I'm just going to have to stick with loops... or my MIDI maker...

Don't know of any good Electronica artists. I did hear one electronica group, and all the lyrics were make by a program that sounded like Readplase or ShitTalker... they weren't too bad!

[Reader]

Yea, to me The Flaming Lips brand of electronica is, to me, a superior brand thereof considering it's legions more musical than lots of other brands. I also greatly enjoy stuff like Tangerine Dream and what-not. People who experiment with tape loops and editing and stuff i respect... if they aren't just being monkey's with scissors.

hey, I'm no purist.. i'm not against electronica because i'm some anti-ludite (right phrase?)... i just find a lot of stuff by them to be unmusical and pretentious. Now anyone who says "well, they said that about Varese and so and so blah blah", i understand what you're saying (mostly)... but i just can't get into ice-cold blips and 4-hour rave music and so forth.

I can isolate at least two sub-genre's that i don't like: Minimilist Electronica and Techno (unless you're talking hard core shit like Atari Teenage Riot). A good many "Laptop Composers" enrage me as well.

[Heccubus]

Yeah, the majority of the stuff on Acid Planet is ubelievably bad. Most of that is my stuff, too.

[Reader]

Yea, but yours is good cuz you reckognize the ridiculousness of it. and mine i like cuz even though it's unbarably dissonant and atonal, it's still bright and spacey (to me).

One thing i think is noteworthy of electronica is that it has roots in decidely 'western' music, ie. a lot of these guys are inspired by contemporary composers like Schaeffer (sp?), Shoenberg, Varese and Stockhausen , and they in turn were working within the context of western diatonic music, and subverting all conventions therein. Altho it is worth noting up front that jazz had just about as much a hand in the development of these people's... umm... y'know. But is it any surprise that this new music, who's foundation is deeply rooted in 'classical' (for lack of a better word) backgrounds, is so inhuman in it's cold, rigid, calculating-ness? Actually, what my original point was is that this may be the first time where whites aren't stealing music from the black man... not that it makes one god damn as long as no one else mentions anything about it! I mean, it hasn't been labeled one way or the other, and that's the way it should be!

I know i left a lot of stuff out, or may have been misinformed, so i'm hoping to get lots of replies from opinionated musicologists! no sarcasm!!

This post has been edited by Reader: 02 April 2004 - 08:05 PM