**PADME SPOILER** you've been warned...
#32
Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:11 PM
QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ May 17 2005, 02:06 PM)
Well, and don`t you think giving birth to twins in such circumstances may kill even a strong woman?!
No. No, actually I don't buy that. I mean, in the same galaxy where the technology exists to sustain a man melted by lava, women still die in childbirth? I just don't see it.
#34
Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:14 PM
QUOTE (Devout Catalyst @ May 17 2005, 07:11 PM)
No. No, actually I don't buy that. I mean, in the same galaxy where the technology exists to sustain a man melted by lava, women still die in childbirth? I just don't see it.
I am not sure she had proper treatment when she gave birth.... and women under such circumstances are very sensitive, they may even kill their child!
#35
Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:31 PM
QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ May 17 2005, 07:14 PM)
I am not sure she had proper treatment when she gave birth.... and women under such circumstances are very sensitive, they may even kill their child!
She had medical droids, didn't she? She may have been in a bad emotional state but having it kill her is ridiculous. People do not 'die of grief', unless you count suicide, or a serious mental disorder which leads them to stop eating, sleeping etc. What is this, a Victorian novel?
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?
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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#36
Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:43 PM
Well I think she was both in terrible depression and completely phisically drained!
By the way, in Polish criminal law, we have a special kind of crime, when mother kills her child during birth!- she can get from 3 months to 5 years in prison, while for normal murder you can get life in prison!
So it seems like terrible things can happen to the mind state of woman who gives birth!
By the way, in Polish criminal law, we have a special kind of crime, when mother kills her child during birth!- she can get from 3 months to 5 years in prison, while for normal murder you can get life in prison!
So it seems like terrible things can happen to the mind state of woman who gives birth!
#38
Posted 17 May 2005 - 02:08 PM
QUOTE (ernesttomlinson @ May 17 2005, 03:15 AM)
No, Storm is right. And because of this line...
Luke: Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
We now know that Leia had two adoptive mothers because her memories of her "real mother" were, as Storm so brilliantly argues, of the first of the two of them. Such is the rich complexity of Lucas's Universe.
Luke: Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
We now know that Leia had two adoptive mothers because her memories of her "real mother" were, as Storm so brilliantly argues, of the first of the two of them. Such is the rich complexity of Lucas's Universe.
I forgot about this line. If he didn't say "real", then I would have grounds to defend the position. However, Luke specifically says "real mother" so I will admit this is inconsistent story telling.
Regardless, Ernest, this doesn't excuse you from being a sarcastic jackass. You could have simply just stated that line and that would have been the end of it.
Honestly though, I'm not going to see the movie for "touching" scenes involving Padme. I just want to see a good space battle, Yoda get beat up a bit, Mace Windu get killed, and a good duel involving Count Dooku.
#39
Posted 17 May 2005 - 02:09 PM
QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ May 17 2005, 07:43 PM)
Well I think she was both in terrible depression and completely phisically drained!
By the way, in Polish criminal law, we have a special kind of crime, when mother kills her child during birth!- she can get from 3 months to 5 years in prison, while for normal murder you can get life in prison!
So it seems like terrible things can happen to the mind state of woman who gives birth!
By the way, in Polish criminal law, we have a special kind of crime, when mother kills her child during birth!- she can get from 3 months to 5 years in prison, while for normal murder you can get life in prison!
So it seems like terrible things can happen to the mind state of woman who gives birth!
What's that got to do with anything? People don't die from being in a 'terrible state of mind', unless they kill themselves. Being physically ill is another matter, but I would have thought medical droids would have the technology to handle any complications with the birth.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?
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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#40
Posted 17 May 2005 - 02:15 PM
QUOTE (Helena @ May 17 2005, 03:09 PM)
What's that got to do with anything? People don't die from being in a 'terrible state of mind', unless they kill themselves. Being physically ill is another matter, but I would have thought medical droids would have the technology to handle any complications with the birth.
Exactly!
Plus, that paints a terrible portrait of Padmé. She's so weak that she just allows herself to up and die and orphan her children. Even if Padmé isn't aware that she herself is strong in the Force, she should be able to muster up the strength to stay alive for her children. I mean, if she can survive hazardous falls from moving vehicles and perform all manner of acrobatics to stay out of the path of the monsters in the coliseum, childbirth should be a minor challenge. Especially with medical droids to assist.
#42
Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:08 PM
QUOTE (Storm @ May 16 2005, 10:18 PM)
Leia could easily have been refering to her adopted mother, since that is all she would have remembered.
Luke asks Leia if she remembers her REAL mother. He knows she has been adopted, like him.
#43
Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:16 PM
QUOTE (Devout Catalyst @ May 17 2005, 11:11 AM)
No. No, actually I don't buy that. I mean, in the same galaxy where the technology exists to sustain a man melted by lava, women still die in childbirth? I just don't see it.
Well, if you don't mind more spoliers, it is explained that she 'lost the will to live'. The medical droids mention that there is nothing physically wrong with her, but she is dying nonetheless.
Seems an OK explenation to me.
#44
Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:18 PM
QUOTE (Veer @ May 17 2005, 04:08 PM)
Luke asks Leia if she remembers her REAL mother. He knows she has been adopted, like him.
Read my last post. I cleared this up.
#45
Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:28 PM
QUOTE (Veer @ May 17 2005, 05:16 PM)
Well, if you don't mind more spoliers, it is explained that she 'lost the will to live'. The medical droids mention that there is nothing physically wrong with her, but she is dying nonetheless.
Seems an OK explenation to me.
Seems an OK explenation to me.
Aside from the fact that even in our world people don't just suddenly die because they figuratively "lose the will to live," this suggests that Padmé willed herself to die. That's even less of a satisfying turn of events than if she had just died in childbirth. From ridiculous to ridiculouser. And it makes her totally selfish and cowardly.