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  1. In Topic: Why didn't obi-wan finish off anakin?

    Posted 3 Jun 2005

    QUOTE (JW Wells @ Jun 3 2005, 05:02 PM)
    Again, displaying enough compassion for someone that you are unable to kill them should mean that you'd spare them suffering given the chance - nobody disputes that Obi-Wan could have easily pulled Annakin away from the lava had he really cared about him that much.  There's a reason the phrase coup de grace exists, you know.  For Obi-Wan to neither kill nor help Annakin, but just deliver a pained lecture and leave him to suffer, is extremely cruel.


    You've got a point, to an extent. I suppose it does show what kind of person Obi-Wan can be when you piss him off. Okay, nixing the flat-out statement "I can't kill him" and putting myself in Obi-Wan's shoes, I would still say that Obi-Wan was extremely benevolent in that scene. I have to admit, I think that those who are of the mind that Obi-Wan was cruel are, well, I don't want to use the wrong phrase, so I'll just say- curious.

    Anakin betrayed the Jedi. Brought the Republic into ruin. Was responsible for the massacre of Obi-Wan's Jedi friends. Murdered children. Roasting for a few moments is an apt punishment. In fact, I would say he got off easy. If I were in Obi-Wan's shoes, not only would I not have killed Anakin, but I would've walked over to him and kicked him in the face while reciting the names of each Jedi and youngling. Then I would've taken out a bag of marshmallows and toasted them on him. Then I would've said "This will be over soon- I can only hope there is a hell and you fry in it for eternity for killing children".

    What if someone killed your friends and murdered your neighborhood children? Then caught on fire? You would say "how cruel it was not to put him out"?

    Compassion is one thing. Justice is another.

  2. In Topic: Finally Saw It...

    Posted 3 Jun 2005

    QUOTE (Storm)
    SERIOUSLY, what is wrong with the quotes?


    Bro, I'm with you on that one. A lot of the time my posts do the same thing. There's nothing wrong with the quote tags, but they're not being interpreted correctly. I don't know why that happens.

    It's irritating, isn't it?

  3. In Topic: Heres why I now hate Star Wars! Thanks GL

    Posted 3 Jun 2005

    QUOTE (Giff @ Jun 3 2005, 01:32 AM)
    By killing off Anakin and then bringing him back to life, it would show some of the "powers of the dark side" that Palpatine was telling Anakin about.

    And as for the "NOOOOOO!", several sites, such as YTMND.com have user-made pages poking fun at how corny it was delivered.

    examples of such:

    1) http://darthno.ytmnd. com/
    2) http://darthpaddleball. ytmnd.com/
    3) http://vaderfox.ytmnd. com/
    4) http://unitedstatesofno. ytmnd.com/
    5) http://cnnoooooooo.ytmnd. com/
    6) http://vadergetsthetalk. ytmnd.com/
    ...the list goes on.


    It's almost as corny as Luke's "That's impossible! No!" from Empire. Almost.

    Seriously, though- do you always appeal to the masses for your appreciation of subjectives? Herd behavior?

  4. In Topic: "Your Father wanted you to have this..."

    Posted 3 Jun 2005

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    Good God...the tortured logic of the apologist.

    We see Leia kneeling down before R2D2, programming him. We do not see exactly what programming she is giving him, no, no precise directions. Nevertheless the inference that she gave R2D2 directions to find Obi-Wan in that scene is a clear and obvious one. It is not "offscreen" as you carelessly assert.


    Hey genius, she was putting the Death Star plans into the r2 unit. It's stated flatly in the film. No "directions to Obi-Wan's". Not even "assumed directions".

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    The supposed moment where Anakin tells Obi-Wan to give his lightsabre to his son, by contrast, has no clear or logical place in the movie. You can point to no moment in Episode III and say, "aha, it must have happened here." The imaginary event lies completely


    In the same area with "Leia gave r2 directions to Obi-Wan's".

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    you give a second one, at odds with the first. In one place you assert that Anakin must OBVIOUSLY (uh huh) have told Obi-Wan at some unspecified time between movies to give his lightsabre to his son. In another you argue that the statement, "Your father wanted you to have this," is completely metaphorical and therefore there's no need for Anakin to have said anything at all about the disposition of his lightsabre. Which is it, hm?


    Hey genius, it can be one or the other. That's the point. There are multiple possibilites, get it? Say it with me: multiple possibilites.

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    No contradictions, that's a laugh. Leia's memories of her real mother?


    I suggest a course (a few) in logic so you understand what the word "contradiction" means.

  5. In Topic: "Your Father wanted you to have this..."

    Posted 3 Jun 2005

    QUOTE (barend @ Jun 1 2005, 09:07 PM)
    you have got to be joking...

    who the fuck would honestly say "you're breaking my heart." to someone who was doing something wrong...


    You' re right. No female would ever say "You're breaking my heart". What was I thinking? I forgot Aeschylus' first maxim of theater: Never have a female say "you're breaking my heart" to her male significant.

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