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Posted 20 June 2005 - 08:00 PM

You have to play it Mnesymone. At least try to download an ilegal crack. (That's a joke of course.)

And I don't really like the idea of a KOTOR movie. The game is so huge that the movie would cut down a lot of the game.
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 10:30 AM

Don't worry about the Exar Kun thing(incidentally, that's the same complaint that your brother had with Helena's fan fics, if I remember correctly). Exar Kun has nothing to do with the game itself, the war is just used to set the scene timeline wise, and to validate the Jedi's concern that they were still too weakened to join the Mandalorian wars. Oh, and MC, if you're currently playing the game, I suggest not reading my storyline posts, as I would be devastated to spoil it for you.
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 11:34 AM

Dantooine
*note: I haven't played this in awhile, and my memory seems a bit out on the details, so forgive me if I mention things slightly out of order. Like I said, I'm just trying to get across the important parts. If you want to see a proper story, play the game, it's much better then my meger writing ability suggests*

The Ebon Hawk arrives safely at the Jedi Onclave on Dantooine. RGN and Bastilla both have a dream, where in a younger Reven and Malak visit a ruin on Dantooine prior to the Mandalorian war. After waking, RGN finds that Bastila has already gone to meet with the council. Soon enough, RGN is summoned to join them. They compliment your rescue of Bastilla, and question you on your dreams. They comment on your strong force sensitivity, and question the wisdom on training you. Master Vrook is bitery opposed to the idea, but Master Vander counters that the light side is still strong. Now that Revan's dead, and that you appear to show a great loyaly to the light side(even if you happen to have taken every evil choice, and your skin is now pale and your eyes yellow), training you as a Jedi will make you a much stronger force against the sith. Master Vrook objects, saying that they don't know if Revan's dead, and what if they were to train you, and another Dark Lord were to arise? In the end, though, Master Vandar overrules him, and you are taken to training. You pick up in months what takes other Jedi years(shown in a cutscene). Finally, you are given three trials. The first is to learn the Jedi code.
"There is no emotion - There is peace
There is no ignorance - There is knowellege
There is no passion - There is serenity
There is no death, there is only the force"
The second challenge is to construct your lightsabre, which takes all of two seconds game time. Finally, you are told that the local beasts are getting restless and attacking the farmers. They are being corrupted by a tain coming from the meditation groves. Your final quest is to clean the grove of the taint. So, you set off, and find a woman meditating. She attacks you on sight. After knocking some sense into her, she tells you her story. Her name is Juhanni, a former padawan at the enclave. Juhanni grew angry that her master would not teach her what she wanted to know, and had struck her down. She then fled in terror of retribution, and found the grotto. Here she used it as a sanctuary to extend her dark power, thinking herself superior to the Jedi...she's rather shattered that you prooved her wrong. Here you can choose to do the good thing and convice her to seek redemption, or just kill her. Either way, the taint in the grove is remooved. When you return to the enclave, the council declare you a full Jedi. They tell you that the ruins that you and Bastilla dreamt of are nearby. They sent a Jedi to investigae them, but he hasn't returned. So RGN and Bastilla are sent to investigate. Making your way in, you find a robot, which talks in a collection of languages that you don't recognize(regardless of your outstanding linguistic talents), but it eventually finds a dialoug of Selketh that you can understand. The machine says that the temple is a monument to the builders and their great empire, and holds in it the map to the star forge. Unfortunatly, it doesn't know what the start forge actually is. When questioned on who the builders are, it can only tell you that the builders are the builders. But it does tell you that the last time the builders visited the temple was 20 000 years ago(which, according to Bastilla, was 4000 years before the Republic). So, after proving yourself worthy(basic logic and combat tests), you gain access to the star map. Unfortunatly, it seems to have become corrupted over time, and is incomplete. But it does make mention to four planets: Tatooine, Kashyyyk, Manaan and Korriban. Bastilla puts forward the theory that there may be other star maps on those planets, which will have the missing information. So, you report back to the council. It's generally decided that whatever it is, Reven and Malak found this star forge, and hence retracing their steps may give the Republic a chance to defeat the sith armada. Sending a master to do this, though, would draw too much attention and likely end with them being killed. As such, they give the task to RGN. They send Bastilla with him, to give guidance, as well as allowing RGN's compainions from Taris to go to. On top of that, if you saved Juhanni, she also joins your party.

And so ends the linear part of the game. From here, you can choose to go to any of the four planets above(and if you have the PC version, you also get to go to a moon over Yavin IV which has an awesome shop, but that's irrelevant to the story so it's the last I'm mentioning it). I'll be taking Tatooine and Kashyyyk first for NPC reasons(even though I hate both planets), then moving on to Manaan(which is much better) and finally Korriban(which is my favourite). But that will have to wait, as I've written enough for tonight.
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:43 PM

Cool - and I see that they do the darkside physically changes those who wield it. If I were to play KOTOR, and play it anything like I played Jedi Knight, though I would try lightside, I'd first try for the darkside so as to get a mass-destructive character. Kill the girl in the grove you say?
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 11:17 PM

hey, sime...

what's with the walkthrough?

don't *spoil*...

mnes- the game is like $20.00

just get it...
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 12:25 PM

QUOTE (Mnesymone @ Jun 23 2005, 04:43 PM)
...Kill the girl in the grove you say?


Juhani? GOD NO! She is a Jedi and can become a part of your party after Dantooine. If you want to be a kick ass dark side character...trust me, there will be PLENTY of chances to do so.

Hell, you can be such a bad-ass and caus SO much trouble that you arent allowed to go to Manaan anymore tongue.gif
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ Jun 20 2005, 09:01 AM)
It would make an amazing film - or maybe even a TV mini-series, as it's rather too long for a single movie. But it's never going to happen, unfortunately. sad.gif On the other hand, maybe there's reason to be grateful for that - I dread to think how Lucas would butcher the story and characters if he got his hands on them.


Assuming these movies were made, I doubt Lucas would touch it, if anything he would just play the executive producer role and let another director handle it. That would just be awesome. The thing is, to make this thing work, you would have to make it a trilogy. Just cut out alot of the bonus stuff and focus on Revan, his companions and all the Star Map planets. It has the potential to be really epic, I honestly think it could rival the OT.

Thats probably why ol Georgie wouldnt ever let it happen tongue.gif
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 05:46 PM

The KOTOR trilogy would probably go like this:

KOTOR I :Rise of a Jedi.
KOTOR II :The Star Forge Quest
KOTOR III:Sith Redemption.

Episode I will be about the rescue of Taris and how does RGN (main character) discovers that he is force sensitive and ends when they discover the Star map.

Episode II will be about the the search of the Star Maps with some clues about RGN's identity and it will end with the plot twist as a cliffhanger.

Episode III should be evrything else with you killing Bastila but going to the light side ending.
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 10:36 PM

QUOTE (SithAvenger @ Jun 27 2005, 05:46 PM)
The KOTOR trilogy would probably go like this:

KOTOR I  :Rise of a Jedi.
KOTOR II :The Star Forge Quest
KOTOR III:Sith Redemption.

Episode I will be about the rescue of Taris and how does RGN (main character) discovers that he is force sensitive and ends when they discover the Star map.

Episode II will be about the the search of the Star Maps with some clues about RGN's identity and it will end with the plot twist as a cliffhanger.

Episode III should be evrything else with you killing Bastila but going to the light side ending.


This is EXACTLY how I envision it.....except I couldnt kill Bastilla, I love that woman!! wub.gif

I honestly believe if you put a competent team behind this project it would be better than ANY Star Wars movie ever made. Revan is a very deep character, and Jolee is like the wittier, wiser, Black version of Obi Wan.
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 12:04 AM

Hey fellas...I dont think the guy summarizing the game got to the part about Revan's identity yet.

Oh well...thats what other people get for not playing the game.
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 08:32 AM

QUOTE (Storm Shadow @ Jun 28 2005, 04:36 AM)
This is EXACTLY how I envision it.....except I couldnt kill Bastilla, I love that woman!! wub.gif

Absolutely. Apart from HK-47, Bastila is far and away my favourite character, and killing her off would completely and utterly ruin the story for me. I'd much prefer never to see any films made than to see them with that ending.

Ah, well. It's really pointless to discuss this anyway, because it's never going to happen.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 28 June 2005 - 08:36 AM

You know, Helena, I actually prefer Carth. May be my biassed opinion, but Bastila is a pampered Jedi princess. So far...
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 12:10 PM

I like Carth, but to be honest I find him a bit boring. He's your typical romance-novel hero - strong but sensitive, with a tragic past. Bastila is, IMO, a far more interesting character - at least partly because she has many flaws as well as good qualities. And she's very far from just a pampered princess (how can a Jedi be 'pampered', anyway?)

At least play the whole game and listen to everything she has to say before making judgements. Did you get to the bit with her mother yet, by the way?
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 28 June 2005 - 02:06 PM

I like Bastila but I would have Revan kill her to add a dramatic effect to the movie...

I would go like this: Revan doesn't want to kill Bastila, but shee keeps atacking her and when Revan tries to block a move, he accidentaly hits Bastila. (And she disappears. wink.gif ) Then in the fight with Malak, Revan would blame Malak to make him kill Bastila. And so he fights with anger, and remember that when you're angry, you're more easily tempted to the dark side. wink.gif

Now that's a good story.

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Posted 28 June 2005 - 03:26 PM

What is this obsession with sad endings just for the sake of drama? That's not what Star Wars is about - it's supposed to be escapist fantasy about the triumph of good over evil, for heavens' sake. If I wanted a tragedy I'd go and read Macbeth or something. And anyway, Bastila gets enough misery during the game without having her die at the end of it - after all she went through, the poor girl deserves better than that.

To be honest, this is one of the reasons I don't think a movie will ever be made. Some people would prefer a female Revan, others would prefer the Dark Side ending, etc. Whatever was eventually chosen, they'd never make everyone happy.
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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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