A Couple of Problems with ESB Luke's Easy Escape and Clones
#1
Posted 12 July 2005 - 01:02 PM
Also, considering the Storm Troopers and Boba Fett spent alot of time together in Cloud City, did they notice that they were all clones of the same person? If I was Fett, I would be freaked out when I heard a voice completely like mine. Doesnt Fett feel distraught bu this? He is no longer an individual bad ass, just a clone of his dumb dad. And how can a clone have a father any way.
In ROTS, we see that clones can be promoted through the nauseating introduction of Commander Cody. Now, how come the Imperial officiers, like Moff Tarkin, are not clones? The whole clone thing is crap. Its a lot more menancing to know that people joined the Empire on their own accord, but leave it to Lucas to ruin a good thing.
#2
Posted 12 July 2005 - 03:55 PM
I definitely have to agree about the Boba-Fett clones demeaning the clones in the OOT. I really wish he wasn't the template for them.
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#3
Posted 12 July 2005 - 04:27 PM
I've always heard that it was kind of like clonism - a prejudice against clones. I'm being serious.
#4
Posted 12 July 2005 - 04:35 PM
I definitely have to agree about the Boba-Fett clones demeaning the clones in the OOT. I really wish he wasn't the template for them.
And what kills me is why there weren't several templates, like -
1 million Jango Fetts
1 million some white guy
1 million some black guy
1 million some Asian guy
etc...
Who says every damn clone has to be the same damn clone of one person? I was genuinely expecting to see Obi-Wan have to fight at least one clone of himself - a non-Jedi clone, since Jedi powers should not be clonable.
#5
Posted 12 July 2005 - 06:16 PM
I always thought Luke was able to escape so easily from Hoth because the Imperial Navy would be looking for larger targets like transports and cruisers that carry large numbers of rebels. They probably wouldn't waste much time and effort trying to nab single-manned starfighters.
As to you second question that one is easy ... the Stormtroopers were not supposed to be clones when the original trilogies were made!
The original idea for the Clone Wars (which I read as a kid in the 1980's) went something like this -
Old Republic scientist had invented cloining technology hundreds of years before the stories we (unfortunately) see on movie screens today. However, some of the test clones were unstable and prone to strange mutations, so the senate quickly banned the technology across the galaxy. About 50 years later, The Old Republic started receiving reports of strange, armor-clad warriors attacking some of the outer-rim worlds. When they send a team to investigate, they are quickly overwhelmed by hundreds of MANDALORIAN WARRIORS (yes, the same place where Boba gets his armor). The Republic immediately retaliates by sending it's entire fleet against the invaders and soon discovers that the dreaded Mandalorians have uncovered the secrets to the Republic's old cloning technologies and have been mass-producing their soldiers (so the clones are the BAD GUYS in the original tale) After decades of fighting, the Jedi and the Republic defeat the Mandalorians, but at heavy losses. Where once there were thousands of Jedi roaming the galaxy, now less than 100 remain. With the severe destruction caused to so many worlds during the Clone Wars, trust in the Old Republic's governing body and its Jedi defenders is at an all time low. This gives a young senator named Palpatine his chance to turn the people against the Jedi and the politicians against each other. With so few Jedi remaining, it is easy for his new apprentice, Darth Vader. to hunt down and destroy the rest of the Jedi.
That's just a quick version, but the simple answer is the Stormies were never supposed to be clones. George Lucas didn't think that up until he was starting to re-write the new movies (if you can even call them movies) in 1998-2000.
#7
Posted 12 July 2005 - 10:24 PM
Are you trying to tell me midichlorians aren't heritable? Sorry, couldn't help myself.
In the ROTJ novelisation, Vader thought that he ought to thank Yoda for training Luke. Maybe he had searched his feelings and let him get away? Or maybe it was a subconscious thing.
Someone had to donate the DNA yeah? There's the biological aspect. If you prefer the touchy feely definition of paternity, someone has to raise the clones.
The clones were engineered to be subservient Republic cannon fodder. By overexpressing their subservience gene, not to be confused with the ones that code for midichlorians because they've got their own genomes, they're not fit to serve the Empire.
This post has been edited by LiocModnar: 12 July 2005 - 10:31 PM
#8
Posted 12 July 2005 - 11:20 PM
Also, considering the Storm Troopers and Boba Fett spent alot of time together in Cloud City, did they notice that they were all clones of the same person? If I was Fett, I would be freaked out when I heard a voice completely like mine. Doesnt Fett feel distraught bu this? He is no longer an individual bad ass, just a clone of his dumb dad. And how can a clone have a father any way.
In ROTS, we see that clones can be promoted through the nauseating introduction of Commander Cody. Now, how come the Imperial officiers, like Moff Tarkin, are not clones? The whole clone thing is crap. Its a lot more menancing to know that people joined the Empire on their own accord, but leave it to Lucas to ruin a good thing.
Did you not think that the clone wars were going to involve clones or cloning or were somehow clone related?
#9
Posted 12 July 2005 - 11:23 PM
Dont get your point. I think Jerfus had the best response. Youre just being a jerk.
#10
Posted 12 July 2005 - 11:28 PM
I like the rest of your explainations better.
#11
Posted 12 July 2005 - 11:30 PM
I had originally replied only after reading the first post.
#12
Posted 13 July 2005 - 12:27 AM
I just realized that knowing what we do today about cloning and DNA and such, Lucas would have had to alter the story somehow.
I mean we have to assume that genes work the same way in the SW universe that they do in ours. Knowing this the Republic would have never chosen an induvidual who is prone to having genetic problems to clone.
I don't mean to nitpick or stick up for GL. It's just that the old explaination doesn't make sense either...
Because as you said it's an idea based on science and technology from the 80's.
#13
Posted 13 July 2005 - 07:21 AM
Would that it were. I think that's giving Lucas too much credit; it implies he did some research.
#15
Posted 13 July 2005 - 12:43 PM