Procephy Weak plot device off the port bow!
#2
Posted 15 June 2005 - 07:51 AM
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#3
Posted 15 June 2005 - 09:54 AM
The PT comes BEFORE what we ALREADY know HAPPENED. At this point there's no veiled secrecy, just pandering. Storytelling See-threepio ought to have stepped in to deliver those portions.
#4
Posted 15 June 2005 - 07:23 PM
and only oldschool fantasy...
it worked in dune, and belongs in films like the dark crystal...
but you can't unmystify the force with midichlorians and throw in a prophesy at the same time...
it's just lame... you could say someone had a vision of a boy who would change things, but a prophesy is just pushing too much importance into your story... that should be up to the audience...
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#5
Posted 15 June 2005 - 07:28 PM
Threepio in ANH: "I'm not much more than an interpreter, and not very good at telling stories."
Not good at telling stories,eh? Now who does that remind me of...?
This post has been edited by Trigormike: 15 June 2005 - 07:29 PM
#6
Posted 16 June 2005 - 02:17 PM
It was in front of your face the whole time. You just didn't see it.
This post has been edited by floppydisk: 16 June 2005 - 02:17 PM
#7
Posted 17 June 2005 - 08:47 PM
The most fundamental reason - the jedi are themselves prophets, in addition to healers, teachers, warriors and occasional Super Grovers and lilac-lightsabered gangsta badasses. If they can see things veiled by space and time - Yoda's Mirror of Galadriel/Force vision speech on Dagobah - they don't need prophecies because they are perfectly capable of seeing into the future anyways.
Also it is fairly weak.
Who made the prophecy anyway? The mysterious Syfo Dias? (sarcasm, possibly)
#8
Posted 17 June 2005 - 09:04 PM
Of course, Lucas avoids the painfully obvious "There is a prophecy of a boy who will destroy the Jedi!" and instead makes the exact wording of the prophecy vague enough so that the role of the "Chosen One" seems almost positive. Indeed, the Jedi have interpreted "bringing balance" as "destroying the Sith." Well, they were half right....
The PT is also supposed to be a tragedy, and in tragedies, Fate always wins out in the end. No matter how hard you try to avoid your Destiny, you cannot help but fulfill it. Greek drama, especially, is full of prophecies, oracles, and Fate.
"You cannot escape your Destiny."
--Obi-wan Kenobi
#9
Posted 17 June 2005 - 10:18 PM
Yes, but if the audience already knows what's going to happen, there's no need for a prophecy at all. All it does is complicate the story and destroy the mystery of it all.
Meh. I get what you mean, but I still hate the idea of fate. If you already know how it's going to end, what's the point of watching it at all? If you already have something that says "X will happen no matter what", don't you think that it sort of detracts from the story? Instead of having any number of things that could happen, you have only one.
That's not saying that any movie that uses fate will be bad. It's more like a movie with fate is Half-Life. Great game, very linear. A movie without the fate stuff is Deus Ex. Again, great game, but this time you can approach your tasks from any number of angles instead of just one preset course.
Get what I'm saying?
#10
Posted 24 June 2005 - 01:28 PM
when we watch an episode of macgyver we know he will succeed at whatever he's doing, but we wanna see how he'll do it.
#12
Posted 25 June 2005 - 01:57 PM
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#13
Posted 25 June 2005 - 02:07 PM
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>Good guys try to stop them
>Good guys win
>Bad guys plot thier revenge
>Bad guys win
>Good guys plot thier revenge
>Good guys win
>Bad guys plot evil to steal cupcakes
>Good guys try to stop them
>Good guys win
>Bad guys plot thier revenge
>Bad guys win
>Good guys plot thier revenge
>Good guys win
>Bad guys plot evil to steal cupcakes
>Good guys try to stop them
>Good guys win
>Bad guys plot thier revenge
>Bad guys win
>Good guys plot thier revenge
>Good guys win
It's a never ending circle. The good guys may win, but evil will always win again, but good will also always win again.
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