91 Reasons to Hate Episode III Revenge of the Sith Articles Have Begun!
#91
Posted 14 June 2005 - 10:41 AM
#92
Posted 14 June 2005 - 11:47 AM
Agreed. That was pretty stupid. For some reason I didn't comment on that. I must be slipping. It was pretty dumb though.
Yes. The whole series is basically just a video game these days. Which would be fine if it were a movie based on a video game, I suppose.
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#93
Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:03 PM
'I sense that my old master Obi-wan Kenobi is aboard the Death Star. Throw a ray shield around him and I'll sort it out after lunch.'
#94
Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:19 PM
ANAKIN: My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.
COUNT DOOKU: Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.
ANAKIN: No, I said my POWERS have doubled, not my pride.
COUNT DOOKU: Oh, I'm sorry, I must have misheard. I am incredibly old you know.
#95
Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:29 PM
It has been mentioned in interviews that GL made 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid' "compulsory viewing" for the Ewen and Hayden - so that they might get a feel for the friendship they were supposed to have before Anakin's fall.
But how in hell Georgie Porge thought he was getting anything near the level of that banter is beyond me. Not only was his script as weak as piss but the chemistry that his direction created between the two 'leads' was like watching two straight guys trying to convince each other that they're not gay.
Not to mention that it's just wrong to tease your actors by showing them a real movie while insisting they star in your playschool pantomime.
#96
Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:55 PM
ANAKIN: My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.
COUNT DOOKU: Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.
ANAKIN: No, I said my POWERS have doubled, not my pride.
COUNT DOOKU: Oh, I'm sorry, I must have misheard. I am incredibly old you know.
Continuing:
PALPATINE: (sighs) Oh, get on with it!
OBI-WAN: (groaning) Oh, my legs...
COUNT DOOKU: (looks at Obi-Wan) ...
ANAKIN: Gotcha!
COUNT DOOKU: Doh!!! (Homer-like)
Ok. No more.
Isaac Asimov
#97
Posted 14 June 2005 - 01:20 PM
I don't want to labour this point, but if you want wind, you need air, and there's not much in a room. If the room empties of air in a matter of seconds (and it would, if the doors are air-tight) there will be no gale force wind dragging people outwards. It goes back to the myth that depressurising a vessel will suck people outside. Goldfinger is at fault here, in my opinion.
Anyway, I think I can guess one of the later "reasons":
PAD-UH-MAY - Hayden Christensen AKA Anakin AKA Darth Vader pronounced the name this way (wrongly), as is so well nailed already.
PAD-MEE - as pronounced correctly by James Earl Jones AKA Darth Vader.
Now how to reconcile this rather obvious continuity error? Over to George Lucas... I would guess this will come in at 86 in the reasons...?
This post has been edited by jxw: 14 June 2005 - 01:30 PM
#98
Posted 14 June 2005 - 03:07 PM
Yes. The whole series is basically just a video game these days. Which would be fine if it were a movie based on a video game, I suppose.
Ugh! I hated the Tusken Raider "arp arp" too! I can't believe you didn't mention that. IMHO it really ought to be included, since it is far more irritating than some of the things you did (rightfully) comment on.
Similarily - is this the first Star Wars movie that has flashbacks and flash-forwards? I don't remember the action ever being interrupted to go backwards to retell something, but in this one, they kind of did with the Tusken Raider memory. Also, Anakin's visions - some people hate them, I thought that they were okay (only okay), but there is really no precedent for these sorts of film techniques in either trilogy.
Someone before commented that Luke's visions on Dagobah were better because they weren't spelling everything out for the audience, and I'd have to agree.
One more thing - what is with shields on ships? In the OT, the Millennium Falcon and Imperial shuttles swoop in and out of the Death Star, no problem, while those air shields stay up and Stormtroopers and everyone's dog walk around as ships come in. What is the difference between these shields on entrances and the shields in ROTS that Anakin destroys. He obviously didn't destroy the ship's deflector shields - why would deflectors protect everything but the thing generating them? So, I guess I am asking, what is the difference (if any) between the protecting shields and air shields on docking bays. If a defense shield is destroyed, does that mean the air shield is also destroyed?
#99
Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:15 PM
I knew Lucas would screw up this pivotal scene but never did I imagine I would see OBIWAN SCREAMING AT A FLAMING PARAPALEGIC SCANT FEET AWAY NOT OFFERING ANY HELP WHATSOEVER WHILE HIS "BROTHER" INGESTS TOXIC FUMES.
Some Jedi
Good one Lucas. Moron.
koji
#100
Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:35 PM
It has been mentioned in interviews that GL made 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid' "compulsory viewing" for the Ewen and Hayden - so that they might get a feel for the friendship they were supposed to have before Anakin's fall.
But how in hell Georgie Porge thought he was getting anything near the level of that banter is beyond me. Not only was his script as weak as piss but the chemistry that his direction created between the two 'leads' was like watching two straight guys trying to convince each other that they're not gay.
Not to mention that it's just wrong to tease your actors by showing them a real movie while insisting they star in your playschool pantomime.
At least he attempted to show some sort of affection between the 2. In AOTC there was not a shred of evidence that there was a hint of a bond between the 2.
#101
Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:39 PM
PAD-MEE - as pronounced correctly by James Earl Jones AKA Darth Vader.
Anakin was born (or whatever) on the Texas area of Naboo.
He's a siiieeeth lord.
Isaac Asimov
#102
Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:42 PM
If you be really strict about this, he wasn't screaming at a paraplegic. You see, he *could* move his stumps. I think he was more like a basket case (with a cool bionic arm, though).
Isaac Asimov
#103
Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:42 PM
I knew Lucas would screw up this pivotal scene but never did I imagine I would see OBIWAN SCREAMING AT A FLAMING PARAPALEGIC SCANT FEET AWAY NOT OFFERING ANY HELP WHATSOEVER WHILE HIS "BROTHER" INGESTS TOXIC FUMES.
Some Jedi
Good one Lucas. Moron.
koji
cross-posted
I think this scene wouldn't have been so glaring if Obi-Wan had been shown trying to redeem Anakin. In my mind, though, Anakin got what he deserved. Obi-Wan couldn't let him go, but he couldn't bring himself to kill him, either. I see Obi-Wan's actions not as callous so much as just conflicted. He thought that there was no saving him, couldn't let him go free to wreak havoc, but didn't have the real heart to kill him, either. As far as mercy killing, did Anakin deserve mercy? According to the Jedi, the physical world is not what is important, anyway. Obi-Wan believes in The Force, not the physical realm; of course, in cases of human suffering, the Jedi would step in and do something, I think, but at this point, Obi-Wan viewed Anakin as an abomination against nature and not really human - this at least is supported by the OT ("He's more machine now than man.").Also, if viewed from a spiritual viewpoint, Anakin caused his own fate, so why should Obi-Wan change that fate if he believes that the Sith are truly evil? He probably believed that this was the will of The Force. Yes, it's callous by our standards, but not probably by Obi-Wan's. This is a lame example, but here goes - if you could free Satan from Hell, would you? Doing that would be defying God's will that that is Satan's fate, despite the fact that Satan is being tortured. Like Satan, Anakin only brought this upon himself. These are my thoughts, at least. Let me know what you think.
#104
Posted 14 June 2005 - 05:05 PM
And that is of course Chefelf's point for reason #18. GL's attempt to establish a great friendship suddenly comes out of NOWHERE and is therefore an obvious attempt to try and give more weight to the fight at the end. It comes across as just another heavy-handed attempt at manipulating the audience. It's akin to making Indy say "I hate snakes" when the title of the movie is 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Snakes'. The audience knows exactly why the line is there and you are taken out of the movie faster than if you opened with a CGI shot that follows behind a ship like its one of the bats out of VanHelsing.
#105
Posted 14 June 2005 - 06:07 PM
Apparently Anakin's amazingly high midichlorian count far outweighs Dooku's decades of lightsaber experiance.