Emoting PT VS OT
#1
Posted 04 April 2005 - 08:10 PM
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#2
Posted 05 April 2005 - 07:55 AM
That's one of the things about the OT - the younger actors played their parts, but it was the older actors who really held the piece together, with seriously experienced actors in well-crafted characters, who might not be leading in screentime, but really give it an edge. Peter Cushing and Alec Guiness. Damn fine actors - Ealing comedies and Hammer horror - damn fine.
But there were powerful scenes in the OT - Obi-Wan Kenobi in his adobe abode relating the history of the galaxy to Luke, the destruction of Alderaan, Darth Vader's impassioned dolorous temptation to Luke, Luke and Vader fighting before the Emperor like gladiators before Ceasar - the PT's most powerful scene was... was... will be the painful and gruesome death of Jar Jar Binks
#3
Posted 05 April 2005 - 03:42 PM
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 01:28 AM
#5
Posted 06 April 2005 - 01:59 AM
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#6
Posted 06 April 2005 - 10:13 AM
And it's all true. Liam Neeson relating the midi-chlorian crap to the random child actor is nothing compared to Alec Guinness telling Luke how it is with the Force in the older movies. And Liam Neeson is actually a pretty good actor.
This may be the wrong place to put this question, but I would like to ask what you were expecting the Jedi to be like in the PT. I wasn't expecting any Han Solos or Erroll Flynn types, but I wasn't expecting the bunch that I got. GL spouts off about the Jedi as if they were samurai or the Knights of the Round Table, but the Jedi just don't do much of anything, they come across as being merely scenery.
Of course, it would help a lot if not EVERYONE was stoic in every single frame of the film.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an obi-wan to go.
#7
Posted 06 April 2005 - 09:18 PM
Yeah I know exactly what you mean. Mace and Yoda are the worst of the lot.
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#8
Posted 06 April 2005 - 09:32 PM
Then Mace and Yoda sit around on feet seat cushions meditating, then when they realise they are useless, they don't tell anyone about it so that they can finally say "I think it is time to tell the Senate that our ability to use the Force has been diminished" - Yoo hoo, Senate, your guardians of peace and justice are impotent!
Also,they have no ties to the world, live in a giant palace, and act like the UN with "we must not exceed our mandate" - I had always thought they would rove around the galaxy humbly, finding problems, solving them - and none of them would make Captain America quips like "So we went into aggressive negotiations... negotiations with a lightsaber"
That line was the kind of thing I'd expect from 'Top Gun' - it actually makes 'your ego's writing checks your body can't cash' look good!
#9
Posted 06 April 2005 - 10:12 PM
"When I left you I was but the student, now I am the master"
"You may not be a student Darth, but I'm gunna school you!"
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#10
Posted 07 April 2005 - 12:22 AM
'It's you who is the tool - and you are a fool'
'Gentlemen, allow me to interrupt you - our Imperial big daddy has finally booted those blundering dunderheads into outer space - also my friend Lord Vader is standing behind me not saying much"
"Ever since you called me a scruffy looking nerf herder, I'm in agony - there is a scar in my heart from the witty repartee we should not have had"
"We can't go on like this Han - it would destroy us"
Incidentally, why would Padme and Anakin's romance destroy them - just because Anakin is a jedi doesn't make him a monk, and just because she's a senator doesn't mean she has to be an immovable ice queen.
#11
Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:16 PM
Ah, but it just does, ya see... just because.
Which is patently ridiculous, because in the EU they had marriage-- for Leia, and eventually for Luke. And how does the Jedi population replenish itself if not by reproduction? Since the Force was created by life itself (at least according to the OT), it seems to me that a Jedi would want to bring about more Force and more life-- i.e., to reproduce.
#12
Posted 07 April 2005 - 02:01 PM
Such an EXCELLENT POINT!! I mean this is truly the heart of the Jedi matter---what good are they if they are not "guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy?" It's so flabber-ghastly disgusting!!! You are so right!
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#13
Posted 07 April 2005 - 07:22 PM
Leia: I love you with all my heart Han Solo.
Han: I knew from the day we met that we were destined to be together. When I get thawed out I want to marry you and make you the happiest woman on earth!!!
Vader: Is this going to take much longer? I have to cut off Luke's hand five minutes ago...
Being a senator you'd think she would be more inclined to get her thang on.
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#14
Posted 08 April 2005 - 12:10 AM
LUKE: *stares at him awkwardly for a moment* I want you
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