[Chefelf]

Since I became of voting age for a Presidential Election, just ONCE, I would like to choose a candidate I want, not the one I detest the least. This year, no exception.

I cannot have Bush steer this country for another 4 years, but my only aternative is Kerry? I just threw up in my mouth.

I know exactly how you feel, though I enjoyed voting for Clinton.

I voted for Nader in the last election. I have no regrets about that.

[K1NGWARREN]

Ditto.

[Ninja Duck]

Who's the Green Party nominee nowadays, now that Nader's been blacklisted?

[Slade]

Ignorance is Strength. But knowledge is power. If schoolhouse rock tought me nothing else, it's that.

You know, I'm not fucking surprised in the least at Bush's remarks. I like how he says that we're going to be safer, and yet every day on the news one of his PR people says that we're no safer than we were on September 11th, 2001. So what has he been doing for the last 4 years, besides golfing and buying more yachts with his oil money?

Then of course there's Ashcroft, who lost an election to a man that died two weeks before the vote.

Wait, we have to analyize bush's statement. He says he "wants" to be the peace president. That means that he'd love to own the entire world, but darn it all if people don't like that and put up a fight. I have to move to a different country...

Speaking of the last election, why the hell did Gore run with Lieberman? The man's like a republican in a dem's clothing. Which means his suit is cheaper, I guess... But at any rate, Lieberman is nuts. And he's very pro-censorship, pro-Israel, and anti-gaming. If it were up to him it would be back to the fifties where when a woman wore a bikini that showed her arms she'd be a prostitute.

This post has been edited by Slade: 22 July 2004 - 09:43 PM

[Vwing]

I'm Jewish, and when I heard that Gore was running with Lieberman, I, like Zod when he heard Kerry was running, almost threw up in my mouth. That lost him the election (or lost him enough of the election that Bush's "non-partisan" supreme court buddies could win it for him). It most likely lost him Tennessee. I'm sorry, but the fact is, the world is not ready for that. I know we would like to think we are, but we're not. A Jew, a black man, and a woman still do not have a chance in the white house. I was so incredibly pissed at Gore when he made that selection. Not to mention, he's a religious Jew! He wears yamacas everywhere! Just makes it more blatant to people that he's Jewish. If he was Jewish but not that religious, or was not obviously Jewish, then maybe he woulda won, but with Lieberman it was impossible.

Back to Bush, I just always keep thinking, they say Kerry flip-flops, and meanwhile, we have Bush saying there are, wait no, aren't, WMDs in Iraq, and that he is a war president, who goes into the white house with war on his mind, but wants to be known as the peace president. He skips out on the military, and then wants to be known as a veteran of it. Say what you will about Kerry, he WAS a war hero. He may have changed his mind on a couple issues, but that can happen to any man, and at least they didn't affect, you know, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!

[J m HofMarN]

The point here is that the left wing folks among us are willing to settle. We could have had Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich who would have championed our views but instead we went with Kerry. The right wingers aren't settling for shit. They go with teh craziest most radical SOB they can find. And you know what? As long as the two party system remains in its stranglehold on our democracy the radical conservatives will win half the time at least. So why should we go with Kerry if there's only going to be another Bush after him. I say let's let Bush screw up the country and make the Democrats so subservient that they absolutely have to let other parties compete.

Just look at the numbers, even after all that Bush has done people are still not sure whether they want him to remain as president. Half the voting public thinks he should still be president. HALF! People there is something wrong here. A vote for Kerry today is a vote for Bush tomorrow, Kerry again the day after and then Bush over the weekend. It is irresponsible to vote for Johm Kerry. I think that letting Bush to some damage will have the effect of a vaccination for America, maybe after a few more disasters we'll be less willing to go to war and more willing to negotiate. Maybe we'll reevaluate our policy towards Israel and Saudi Arabia because hte old policies will be attributed to Bush. Maybe we'll realize that torture is not ok as long as we don't take photos. Maybe we'll realize that we are not the only country on earth.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is like voting for Sauron over Morgoth. But maybe if we vote for the most evil of the two people will see the system for what it is.

[Private Zod]

My biggest fear is that Bush will win, really fiuck things up for 4 more years, and we end of with HILLARY as President in 2008. Don't think it could happen? I did not think she would have a chance as senator in my home state.

Bush would have elevated his chances greatly if he dumped Palpatine-er-, Cheaney and got Guiliani...this election would npot even be close if that happened in my opinion.

[Rory]

The thing is, Bush has already done a lot of bad things, and some people still like him, so I don't think letting him do more bad things is the solution to getting a better president.

And I've noticed people keep talking about the lesser of two evils, and what not. Now, I ask you, is Kerry really all that evil? When you get passed the hype, what makes him a bad president? Or even a not so good president? I guess he looks a Little goofy, but thats not so bad. And sometimes he acts a little to politiciany maybe? Big deal. Now, granted, I haven't done all that much research, but a peak at the John Kerry website says he supports the following things:




"Restoring Jobs and Rebuilding Our Economy

George W. Bush has chosen tax cuts for the wealthy and special favors for special interests over our economic future. John Kerry has a plan to rebuild our future, starting with 3 million jobs in his first 500 days – and a plan to ensure that workers can achieve the American Dream in our changing economy.


Winning the Peace in Iraq

What does it gain America to win a war and lose at peace? The Bush failures will cost us dearly in the months ahead, in an Iraq consumed with suspicion, resentment and continued violence. What’s needed now is leadership – to finish the job in Iraq the right way – because America can and must do better.


Access to Affordable Health Care

John Kerry believes that your family’s health is just as important as any politician's in Washington. Our nation needs a leader who has the courage to take on the big insurance and drug companies to make that same health care plan affordable for every American.


Defending the American Homeland

We shouldn’t be opening firehouses in Baghdad and closing them in Brooklyn. America’s homeland security needs to take steps as big as the threats we face – and give our front lines the resources they need. John Kerry has a six-point plan to ensure that we are safer, stronger, and more secure on our own soil.


Creating a New Era for America's Schools

We need a president who will roll up his sleeves and get things done for America’s schools. By supporting teachers, reducing class sizes, rebuilding crumbling schools, and standing up for high standards in our public education system, John Kerry has the courage to fight for our children’s future every day.


A Cleaner and Greener America

We owe it to our families, our communities, and to our planet to elect a president who will unapologetically pursue our environmental values. Unlike the Bush Administration, where special interests rule and the environment suffers, a Kerry Administration will build its policies around citizens’ needs and aspirations.


A Principled Foreign Policy

Americans deserve a principled foreign policy backed by an enlightened self-interest and undoubted military might – a diplomacy shaped by our own national security. John Kerry will pursue a bold, progressive internationalism that commits America to lead the world toward liberty and prosperity.


Making College Affordable for All Americans

Today’s young people need a president who will take on the Bush tax cuts and stand up for their future – a leader with the courage to help them pay for, prepare for, and complete college. In a Kerry Administration, if you believe in yourself enough to work hard and do what’s right, your country will invest in you."


Now, excuse me for saying so, but these seem like some pretty good priorities. Isn't this what we want out of a president, someone who shares are values and ideals?

If there is a reason we shouldn't support Kerry, or at least agknowledge him as a pretty nice guy, I'd like to hear it. Seriously, why is he the lesser of two evils, and not just a pretty good canditate for president that is far better than his biggest competition?

This post has been edited by Rory: 23 July 2004 - 12:44 PM

[Slade]

Huttah! Well put, Rory.

Hey, is Dickhead Cheney still alive? We never hear from him or see him anymore. I bet that heart problem got to him finally, and they are still finishing up the touches of his immortal robot self.

Jm - What in the Hells will your policy accomplish? I for one would rather that the entire world isn't a smouldering nuclear wasteland in the next four years. Why should we vote for someone who is completely opposed to anything we support, when we have a guy who at least says he supports our side? Enough of the idiots vote for Bush as it is, and if he loses, he might just steal another election. He doesn't need our help too.

I would however, like to hear what Kerry feels is the "right way" to handle the situation in Iraq.

And why does everybody hate Hillary so much? Does anyone even know where she stands on the issues? I'm fairly certain she's quite liberal, so if you're a conservative that might irk you. And she ran for senator in a state she didn't reside in much, but apparently the voters didn't mind that either.

This post has been edited by Slade: 23 July 2004 - 01:14 PM

[K1NGWARREN]

I think Zod has it right....

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[Vwing]

Btw, anyone who is not from the US or who doesn't live in it right now, I'm curious. Are we a topic in the lives of where you live? What do they think of us, do they hate us, specifically, do they hate Bush? I'm just curious because I've been hearing a lot of people say "The world hates us" "The world hates Bush" and while I'm fairly sure the latter is true, I'd like to confirm at least a little bit. What are their opinions of us?

[K1NGWARREN]

I'm American, but travelling to Europe recently (Italy and France), I found that there was a hell of a lot of anti-Bush sentiment, but that people generally understood that the views of our country's "president" are not necessrily shared by its citizens. Nobody seemed to dislike me for being American, but *everybody* had a bad word to say about Bush. I even saw a lot of graffiti everywhere that had Bush spelled with a swastika for an "S". Nobody likes that we act like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla.

By contrast, I spent some time in France in 96 and nobody said a word to me (bad or good) about Clinton.

[J m HofMarN]

"Restoring Jobs and Rebuilding Our Economy

George W. Bush has chosen tax cuts for the wealthy and special favors for special interests over our economic future. John Kerry has a plan to rebuild our future, starting with 3 million jobs in his first 500 days – and a plan to ensure that workers can achieve the American Dream in our changing economy.

Sorry John boy but Bush said the same thing.

Winning the Peace in Iraq

What does it gain America to win a war and lose at peace? The Bush failures will cost us dearly in the months ahead, in an Iraq consumed with suspicion, resentment and continued violence. What’s needed now is leadership – to finish the job in Iraq the right way – because America can and must do better.

Translation: We will crush teh rebels before the start of the rainy season! A shiney new camel for the man who brings me the head of Muqtada AlSadr

Access to Affordable Health Care

John Kerry believes that your family’s health is just as important as any politician's in Washington. Our nation needs a leader who has the courage to take on the big insurance and drug companies to make that same health care plan affordable for every American.

Ya know the funny thing is any American can easily afford health care, just so long as they don't need to eat or have a place to live. Now guaranteeing national health insurance and socialized medicine would work a lot better.

Defending the American Homeland

We shouldn’t be opening firehouses in Baghdad and closing them in Brooklyn. America’s homeland security needs to take steps as big as the threats we face – and give our front lines the resources they need. John Kerry has a six-point plan to ensure that we are safer, stronger, and more secure on our own soil.

I see, so Kerry wants to stop paying all our rebuilding money to Haliburton and start putting that money into building up our defenses? You brilliant son of a bitch! That's a great plan. We'll really need those defenses when Iraqis come in droves to find out why we blew up their country without rebuilding it and see how much of our country they can blow up.

"Creating a New Era for America's Schools
We need a president who will roll up his sleeves and get things done for America’s schools. By supporting teachers, reducing class sizes, rebuilding crumbling schools, and standing up for high standards in our public education system, John Kerry has the courage to fight for our children’s future every day."

Ya know for once I'd like to see a president who DOSNT support all this shit. I remember reading this in Mein Kampf "I vill support das skools and bring zee smaller class sises unt stand up for zee education"

A Cleaner and Greener America
We owe it to our families, our communities, and to our planet to elect a president who will unapologetically pursue our environmental values. Unlike the Bush Administration, where special interests rule and the environment suffers, a Kerry Administration will build its policies around citizens’ needs and aspirations.

I gotta give him this point. He did vote against drilling in ANWR. He wins one actual material battle.

A Principled Foreign Policy

Americans deserve a principled foreign policy backed by an enlightened self-interest and undoubted military might – a diplomacy shaped by our own national security. John Kerry will pursue a bold, progressive internationalism that commits America to lead the world toward liberty and prosperity.

self interest and military might. Fuck you Kerry, I've had enough of American self interest and military might. The only thing I see different in Kerry is that he wants the rest of the world to serve us. I'd rather we lose this war than win it. I'd rather we not have allies willing to help us invade Palestine or Iran. I'd rather let Bush screw it up than Kerry get it right.

Making College Affordable for All Americans

Today’s young people need a president who will take on the Bush tax cuts and stand up for their future – a leader with the courage to help them pay for, prepare for, and complete college. In a Kerry Administration, if you believe in yourself enough to work hard and do what’s right, your country will invest in you."

College is affordable for all Americans, just so long as they're willing to work twenty four seven and get fired from their jobs because they spend all their time doing homework and applying for loans. We could be like Canada or Cuba and offer college education to all but that would just be too much, why we'd have to cut our military budget, it's madness.

And what about Cuba and Palestine? Kerry is just as staunchly supportive of the blockade as Bush and he's just as pro-Israel. Kerry is a wolf in sheeps clothing, a stucach, a rat, an uncle Tom. Nothing proves it more than this sentence:

Americans deserve a principled foreign policy backed by an enlightened self-interest and undoubted military might

Bush could have just as easily said that as Kerry! Kerry is one of the new democrats who offers us Margaritas while Bush is offering a pint of whiskey. You may not know you're getting drunk from what Kerry gives you and it may taste better but you're still going to go flying into the guard rail on the way home.

Even leftists in the democratic party have stated that Kerry is nothing more than Bush lite. Electing Kerry will send a message that democrats have a better chance of winning if they act like republicans and that is a dangerous precident.