Just trying to make him understand by using his tactics against him.
What could be better than a kangaroo court? A kangaroo court sentencing people to die.
#46
Posted 17 February 2008 - 12:58 AM
Just trying to make him understand by using his tactics against him.
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#47
Posted 17 February 2008 - 11:41 AM
#48
Posted 17 February 2008 - 02:33 PM
Oh wait... I see what you were doing now. That article used the word "economic restrictions" once so you consider it a source and proof of their economic PLANNING (note, totally different thing). That's bloody impressive man.
Ah I see.... so do you consider them "westernized" then? And no, the movement was not created by the West. It was funded and helped a great deal but the basis for the movement was in Afghanistan and the peoples discontent with being dragged into the 20th century too quickly. Also, they may have been western stooges at some point, but something tells me theyve kinda stopped.
My "support" entails rebutting your insane quest to make the Taliban and Islamic nationalist movements out to be the third reich. Its funny how it works. You say they're fascists, I say no, so you say I'm supporting American stooges. Now you say they're american stooges and I say no, so next I'm sure you'll jabber about my support for fascism.
You can say Stalin was poppa smurf and I'll still say he wasnt, eve nthough I don't like him. If you want me to stop supporting people you dont like, stop making crazy statements about their supposed political orientation.
I prefaced that statement with "you like dichotomies so heres one" which to any sensible person indicates that I knew it was silly and I was using it farsically. Also, using terminology coined for someones enemies against those enemies is indeed grounds to allege support for that someone. For instance. The minute I call you a bourgeoise of the oppressing class its fair to assume I'm a communist.
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#49
Posted 17 February 2008 - 05:51 PM
Oh wait... I see what you were doing now. That article used the word "economic restrictions" once so you consider it a source and proof of their economic PLANNING (note, totally different thing). That's bloody impressive man.
Here is an idea, rather then just dismissing the sources I put to you, how about you try to contribute something to the debate by proving to me that they didn’t have a planned economy.
I do consider them by-products of western meddling. They certainly aren’t westernized but then how many western stooges are actually westernized?
You can say Stalin was poppa smurf and I'll still say he wasnt, eve nthough I don't like him. If you want me to stop supporting people you dont like, stop making crazy statements about their supposed political orientation.
Its not crazy just because you don’t agree with me. You are yet to rebuttal my argument with a counterclaim. If they are not clerical fascists then what are they?
Well I have spoken out against fascism and democracy… so what does that make me?
This post has been edited by Snake Logan: 17 February 2008 - 05:52 PM
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#50
Posted 17 February 2008 - 06:07 PM
"Batcrap Insane"? That has a nice ring to it.
Why is it so important to have a label for them, anyway?
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#51
Posted 17 February 2008 - 06:24 PM
And as far as the Taliban never getting off the ground thing goes, there were plenty of extremists who were opposed to soviet rule, especially because it went against what they stood for. Eventually the Taliban or something like them would have formed as an opposition force, with or without the interference of other groups.
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#52
Posted 17 February 2008 - 06:48 PM
Why is it so important to have a label for them, anyway?
The thing is I made a statement and he is yet to offer an alternative.
They came to power with the help of a western proxy.
The west destabilized Afghanistan.
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#54
Posted 17 February 2008 - 07:37 PM
Oh. Well if you put it that way, I win. Yay for me. Also, pickles are clearly made of hamsters.
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#55
Posted 17 February 2008 - 07:49 PM
You have yet to tell me why you give a shit.
You win nothing, Puto. If it wasn’t for the west, there would have been no war. The west funded and led the proxy war in Afghanistan against the communists.
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#57
Posted 17 February 2008 - 08:43 PM
It matters because this can help me win the debate.
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#58
Posted 17 February 2008 - 09:07 PM
#59
Posted 18 February 2008 - 04:39 AM
That was not a source. that was an article that off handedly accused the taliban of making economic restrictions (ordering stores to close on friday is an economic restriction, not economic planning) If that was a source then your source needs to site its sources. And once again theres no way to prove a negative. But when I think state economic planning I do not think Taliban. Neither would any other sane person.
Theyre really not Westernised. The Talib had very little connection with the US but were handled by Pakistani intelligence who shifted US materiel to them. The West happened to have interests that coincided with the taliban, thats it. I doubt they ever actually took orders from the US.
A counterclaim is not a requirement of a good argument, and the Taliban don't need a label. They were a theocracy if you absolutely need some label for them.
Like the iroquois before you you are a communalist.
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Once again your citations are general statements. The main article that that statement SUMMARIZES is incomplete and has nothing on Pakistan's amount of involvement in the formation of the Taliban. The only thing it says is exactly what you quoted. It's the bare bones of an argument at best and at worst its just another sentence that you read and took for gospel without looking into the details in the slightest.
Ummm yeah man I'm not a big fan of the West here, and imperialism did do some fucked up shit... .But in this instance I'm not going to blame the west for the existence of the taliban and al qaeda entirely.
I expect because hes wondering why we need to have our own thesis just to argue against yours. I'm not a taliban scholar and I'll admit that, but I do know they're not western stooges so I'm happy to make that statement. If there was an actual problem and I criticised your solution without offering one of my own that would be grounds for calling me on it, but in a theoretical debate a conclusion is not required to know that someone else's conclusion is wrong.
Funded yes, but I seriously doubt they led the war or instigated it.
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#60
Posted 18 February 2008 - 02:06 PM
Hm.