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Star Wars Live-action Series Please, Please, Please don't screw it up!

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 07:10 PM

Oh the emptiness. The horrible, horrible emptiness, but finally... something new to report.

George Lucas says he has started working (read: "interviewing writers") on a new Star Wars live-action television series. Perhaps learning from his PT mistakes, Lucas says this will start afresh with nothing to do with Luke or Anakin Skywalker (Yipeeee!) The only thing he'll say "The life of robots". Hmm.... Well, I really hope that isn't a codeword for move adventures from flying R2D2 and 3PO. The problem with trying to tie threads between background-material-cum-prequels is that background-material never holds up to close inspection. (Witness Tolkein's jumping the shark in that tome of boredom 'The Silmarillion') Note this Star Wars live-action series isn't to be confused with upcoming Star Wars CGI series (and I hope we can tell the difference!) Both will be released on TV, but personally wonder if he might consider skipping the networks and distributing it through BitTorrent with inline advertising (since everyone knows, him included, that is where it'll end up anyway). Also hope he realizes his target audience are adults now. Kids have cooler stuff on offer, so maybe that's why he did a separate CGI?

Software engineer Brooks once said that your second project is the most dangerous one, because that is when bravado and overconfidence are brimming, and pride will take a fall. While Lucas never admitted he made (m)any mistakes on the PT, I hope secretly he has taken stock and does a bang up job on the new one. I'm naive enough to give the Big Gee another chance here. However I won't be buying burger ring cups or more plastic merchandise. I've got a case of TPM action figures I wish I'd never bought. (Also here's a big told-you-so to anyone who thought he'd leave it alone.)

http://www.latimes.c...l=la-entnews-tv
http://en.wikipedia...._CGI_TV_series)
http://starwars.com/...iew/000478.html

Last one is the CGI trailer. Personally I can't be bothered clicking on it. Tell me when it comes out.

BTW apologies to fellow Chefelves who clicked through the pages I'd posted previously to look at the website behind it. I did warn not to, but I guess that was the proverbial 'Wet Paint' sign. If you become monks now, your God may forgive you for what you saw.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 05:18 AM

Well it doesn't take a genius

to tell this is probably. . .
no, its going down in flames
i was a defender of the Star Wars franchise

for so long ...but then i grew up
and its so sad what GL has done
but in any case i'll still watch both the live action and CGI shows

as long as they are remotely entertaining.
Starting off fresh may be the best idea he's
had in a while, still this could be just chaos in the media

thats what im looking foward to

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 12:18 PM

*snaps fingers*

Dig it!
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 01:55 PM

Hoping for this to not be a failure is a huge waste of time. My suggestion: enjoy the failure and write 100 or so reasons that it sucks. At least that's what I plan on doing.
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 08:52 AM

I agree with Chefelf, I'm afraid. There's no reason to suppose this will be any better than anything else produced by Lucas (particularly given the 'life of robots' comment. dry.gif )
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Toru-chan @ Oct 19 2007, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lucas says this will start afresh with nothing to do with Luke or Anakin Skywalker

Yeah, because everyone knows that one of Lucas' strongpoints is coming up with new and exciting characters that have nothing to do with existing characters. dry.gif

This show should be something...else.
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Posted 29 October 2007 - 05:02 PM

Start afresh like a new roll of toilet paper. Whether the man has it over or under, it's going in the crapper, regardwess.
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Posted 29 October 2007 - 11:14 PM

Looks like I'm the only one gullible enough to be hopeful.

Wikipedia does have a page on the live-action series now, but it's so bad (even by Wikipedia's low standards) I won't even post the link. Instead here are some quotes from the interviews. I've discarded fan boy blatherings and obvious speculation which probably should have included anything Sansweet says. We don't even knows him and already we hates him. (Heckling in brackets is me).

+ "Think about bounty hunter [sic]; that’s all I can tell you." (If it's Boba Fett, I definitely won't watch it).
+ "One show that will split into four shows, focusing on different characters."
+ "it will be for more mature audiences like TV shows Battlestar Galactica" (God help us)
+ "It is going to be much darker, much grittier, and it's much more character based." (Didn't the PR people say that when the Star Trek movies jumped the shark).
+ "For me, the future is in television." (Movies bomb sometimes but) "If one show doesn't work, oh well, next week you're on to the next!"
+ "He envisions somewhere like 100 hours between Episode III and Episode IV with a lot of characters that we haven't met but have been developed in other novels and other things," McCallum said. "So we're really excited about that because I think finally we can have the opportunity to answer everybody's questions once and for all by the time we finish the series." (oh great! We get to see young Han Solo after all?)
+ Steve Sansweet (head of Lucasfilm fan relations, obviously a Force.Net Greaser): "For the most part, it's going to be characters you've seen a little of or seen some of, and they will be the central figures. But of course the plot lines will have to take into account what is happening in the rest of the galaxy, so you'll hear the names Luke and Han and Darth and things like that."
+ Steve Sansweet: "Somebody has to buy it first, you know what I mean? You can produce lots of TV and unless it's very compelling, nobody's going to want to put it on their channel. ... There's ipod downloads, there's premium sites, there's through-the-telephone. In 3 years, what's going to be the hot new way of distributing?" (Yes, it's called BitTorrent)
+ Steve Sweetmeat: "McCallum also said that the series will have a default home base in Sydney for the series' for production, but will also use a variety of international locations to create the new small-screen Star Wars backdrop (in hi-def)" (Maybe Barend can start the picket?)
+ Steve Smellyfeet: "But you never know the future of Jar Jar, there's a lot of years to go into with Star Wars. You don't know what happened between 3 and 4. That's a 19 year period, lots of stuff can happen."
+ Pro-tip: Lucas is good at managing leaks. Since Sansweet is obviously a bed wetting fan boy(*), I doubt Lucas would have told him anything juicy he didn't want the world to know.
+ Rick McCallum explained that the series would begin filming and be ready in 2008.
+ McCallum has said that each episode will have a budget of 2-4 million dollars, and that he is looking to hire writers from Battlestar Galactica, Heroes, and Lost
+ Lucas and McCallum have interviewed over 200 prospective wriers for the series from all over the world. McCallum hopes to narrow the writing staff down to about five or six writers. It will then take around six months to complete the scripts, after which McCallum hopes to begin shooting in 2009 in Australia. (But if GL is still spouting a crap background story, it'll still fail.)
+ Lucas has described the show as "bare-bones" and "action-heavy." (WTF does that mean anyway?)
+ Lucas is currently in the process of planning out the character and story arcs, which he has been working on over the last several months. (Nonsense! He planned this all in 1975!)
+ When asked by a fan at his AFI lifetime achievement ceremony if this may include the Knights of the Old Republic/Sith Wars era, Lucas explained he may be interested in taking the franchise to those story areas one day. (That's vague as hell. Why did I even quote that?)
+ McCallum: "One of the ideas is that we’ll have multiple series going on in about two or three year’s time." McCallum hopes that after the series' second or third year, a character could have his/her own spin-off series, and by the fourth or fifth year, the production staff could have at least five separate series running. (Hoo yeah. Sorry Rick, chances are you'll trip up long before then. You're the guy who screwed the Prequels over so badly. aka "It was like that when I got here" and "Hey, that's a great idea, Boss!" He should have canned you then, if not to cover his own mistakes.)
+ Aim is for 100 to 400 episodes, going on forever like those old TV series Lucas said he watched as a kid.

http://starwarsblog....s-3-d/#more-162
http://www.movieweb....ws/90/11090.php
http://starwars.wiki...ction_TV_series
http://au.tv.ign.com...0/770160p1.html (WARNING: Contains close ups of George Lucas)

Now after accessing some obvious Force.Net sites I feel the urge to scrub myself until my skin bleeds.

(*) = There go ChefElf's hopes of an exclusive for this site :-)

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 11:41 AM

Bare-bones and action heavy, eh? Sounds like Lucas' standard formula then: a long chain of pointless, masturbatory CGI sequences with no plot to speak of. If he dares to put his grubby mitts on the KotOR-era I swear to God...
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Toru-chan @ Oct 30 2007, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
+ When asked by a fan at his AFI lifetime achievement ceremony if this may include the Knights of the Old Republic/Sith Wars era, Lucas explained he may be interested in taking the franchise to those story areas one day.

OH GOD NO!

Seconding Commodore: He better not. I'm actually thinking of starting a pre-emptive campaign to persuade Lucas to stay the hell away from KotOR (except that, knowing Lucas, he'd probably see that as encouragement. dry.gif )
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ Oct 31 2007, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He better not. I'm actually thinking of starting a pre-emptive campaign to persuade Lucas to stay the hell away from KotOR (except that, knowing Lucas, he'd probably see that as encouragement. dry.gif )


I don't know anything about KotOR, but if two ChefElves (who are always discerning) think it's good it is worth checking out. As: Novel/Comic/Game? Which?

How to dissuade Lucas from ruining something? If you tell him he can't, he will. Even if you tell him he's perfected it, that'll be encouragement for him to play with it even more. If you tell him it's bad, that may scare him, but the dweeb already reinforced the idea. The best you could do is convince him he gave a speech (tied with plenty of "It was always about Darth" references) in which he said there was no point going into KotOR. Quote lots of bogus media articles. He's so used to making stuff up in interviews he couldn't tell the difference.
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 07:34 PM

Buy the original KotOR and play it through. It's a classic and it's dirt cheap these days. KotOR 2 is also highly recommended.
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Posted 31 October 2007 - 04:53 AM

KotOR 1 is a CRPG developed by Bioware, and is utterly brilliant. The second game was developed by a different company - personally I'll have nothing to do with it, but a lot of people think that one's good as well. The ironic thing is that I'd love to see a live-action version of KotOR... just as long as it wasn't produced by Lucas. tongue.gif
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:56 PM

Thanks for the refer. LucasArts are a class act. Right from way back their adventures and old fight sims were good. Battlefront has some lackluster design (no tactics, too arcade) but technically is extremely well done. Stable as a rock, and performs well on low end platforms. Had been wanting something immersive, and KotOR sounds like it. Never heard of it before. Will definitely check it out.
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 04:39 PM

Trust me, once you start playing KotOR, it will consume your life.
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