Lucas the Iconoclast Who did he ruin the most?
#1
Posted 07 September 2006 - 09:29 PM
#3
Posted 08 September 2006 - 06:23 AM
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an obi-wan to go.
#5
Posted 08 September 2006 - 09:48 AM
Just look at the difference in Palpatine's face and eyes in EP I, then look at how miserable (and darker) he looks in EP II, then in EP III, he's back to looking clean like in EP I. Lucas was showing his deterioration from movie to movie, ...or was he? Even in KOTOR the game, I hear that the Dark Side ends up twisting and deforming devoted applicants to it.
In EP III, there should have been no change to Palpatine except more feeble and sickly looking. We knew who it was from the beginning of EP I, we didn't need Lucas to smear it in our faces as of how Palpatine got ugly. He was just unusually old and twisted because of the Dark Side. ROTJ the book explains this.
Aside from Palpatine being my biggest complaint because it was thrown in our faces, I hated what Lucas did to everyone else. I imagined more from reading the OT books, I saw a whole lot less in the PT.
#6
Posted 08 September 2006 - 10:29 AM
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#8
Posted 09 September 2006 - 08:40 PM
Exactly! I just wrote about Palpatine because it was the most obvious from EP I to II, then II to III. It was bad. All of it.
#10
Posted 12 September 2006 - 02:01 AM
The prequels would have us believe he was even worse back in the day!
I guess it was all the exposure to the goofichlorians that Jar Jar was giving off near him...
#12
Posted 18 September 2006 - 08:45 AM
Darth Vader, of course. He turned my tall, dark, homicidal hero into a whiny little pussy. If somebody would have told me the Darth Vader of the OT became the meanest mofo on the block by getting tricked into it, I would given them a firm karate chop to the face. Goddamn you George Lucas!
#13
Posted 23 October 2006 - 01:56 AM
[sarcasm/]Since it was SO important to the plot that young Greedo and Boba Fett were included [/sarcasm] I am just glad that for whatever reason, Han as a child, was NOT integral to the plot. The mind boggles; what kind of soap opera would that have been?
HOWEVER, were I not the Queen of Denial, I would have to say the characters ruined for me were:
1. Darth Vader - I'm with you, Sailor Abbey, had I been told that the "good man" Luke was told about was a whiny little psycho pussy, I would have laughed myself sick, THEN administered the firm karate chop to the face, while yelling "HIIIEEEYAAHH!" like Miss Piggy.
2. Yoda - the wise, witty master we came to know and love so much in ESB is a heartless, mean spirited putz in his salad days.
3. The Emperor - I have forgiven him for being a cackling idiot in RotJ, because I figured he was nearing the end of his life, as a very old, twisted and evil man who had gotten overconfident. Then we find out that he was that way from the very beginning of his reign as Emperor. I loved ChefElf's gallery of Palpy's lightsaber grimaces - I now understand why there was no Empress. Who would want that in her face every time she got it on with the Emperor?
4. Obi Wan - Much like the complaint with Yoda, a beloved, wise mentor is an idiot in his heyday. I blame that more on poor plotting and dialogue, rather than on the character himself.
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Of course, since I am on my barge, sailing Denial, nothing of the prequels has penetrated to spoil anything!
#14
Posted 31 October 2006 - 09:33 PM
And the sad thing is that it would have taken exactly ONE 60 second scene in episode 2 or 3 to establish this:
Beggar J with a withered hand: Please, Sir Skywalker. A pittance for a fallen man in the wilderness.
ANAKIN SKYWALKER: What? How do you know my name?
Beggar J: All things possible in ye, my lord.
ANAKIN SKYWALKER: I don't understand. But (fumbles for words) ...please, take these credits from me. There you go. May the Force be with you.
Beggar J: And also with ye, sir. Tis ye who decides.
ANAKIN SKYWALKER: What do you mean?
Beggar J: Tis nothing, milord.
Etc.
Ironically even Hayden could've played that off well.
Heck to satisfy Lucas's stereotypes of "no character shall grow without my permission," it could've even been followed by:
Obi-wan: You should not have given him your credits.
ANAKIN: And why not?
Obi-wan: You don't know how he'll use them.
ANAKIN: I try to do good, Master. He was suffering. (looks down humbly)
This also would have illustrated exactly the point tha Luke got which Obi-wan and Yoda didn't...that the Force is also rooted in compassion in the present moment, not just conflict and empty ideals.
This post has been edited by Kuma: 31 October 2006 - 09:47 PM
#15
Posted 01 November 2006 - 01:25 PM
He was supposed to be on of the great jedi, second only to Yoda in the force and lightsaber skill.
Yet somehow he seemed to fall flat on his face in the end.
Even the animators of the clone wars shorts understood that Mace was not an easy take down.
When i saw him die in Eps. III i was absolutley disgusted.
A definate low point of the movie.
I remember there was all this hype about the great Samuel L. Jackson as a Jedi Master,
but aside form his cool ass entrance in the Geonosis stadium (AOTC) and his fight scene with Jango Fett, Mace was a complete let down.
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