[Jejef Thgaron]

Anyway, thanks for coming clean and agreeing that the phrase isn't a literal statement of facts, comparable to Newton's Laws of Motion. Agreeing and disagreeing has therefore nothing to do with analysis of the facts, and is only a matter of faith.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

Some here appear not to have the same faith you do. This may however have something to do with the fact that all here take the exp​ression to mean something different than you do. I guess we're done here now. If you'd like to start up another thread abouth why you are a Christian and yet you claim to "respect" people who don't believe in God, I have to say I'm really curious to see how you want to justify that. I'm frankly also curious to know how it can be equated with the lyrics to "The Girl is Mine."

Excellent. You've somehow managed to figure out that I'm a Christian. Don't take this the wrong way...

I'd like to NOT start a religious thread. I believe in God. Why should I have to discuss religious beliefs with an atheist? I said I respect other religions, not the lack thereof. Atheism is the belief that there is no god. If religion is the belief in a God, or many gods, then atheism is not a religion. You believe in "nothing". If there is no God, or gods, then there is nothing. There has to be something after death, otherwise life, and death shouldn't exist. Existence shouldn't exist. You, and I shouldn't exist. I respect your belief; If you want to believe there is nothing, it's your prerogative, but I do not, and will not accept atheism as a 'religion'. It is anti-religion. The closest thing I can compare atheism to, would be Satanism. The difference, however, is that Satan believes in God.

Before I forget... Spoon Poetic, since you claim to be Christian, explain to me what your username means... and be honest. God hates it when people lie. He also hates it when his flock of sheep shoot up. I'm not saying you shoot up, but that's what your username implies. Please tell me it has a different meaning, than what I think it has.

[Sailor Abbey]

The closest thing I can compare atheism to, would be Satanism.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Before I forget... Spoon Poetic, since you claim to be Christian, explain to me what your username means... and be honest. God hates it when people lie. He also hates it when his flock of sheep shoot up.

For someone who doesn’t want to start a religious debate, you sure are doing a good job of starting a religious debate.

How does an omnipotent universal force 'hate' anything? Isnt that a petty human emotion?

This post has been edited by Sailor Abbey: 01 May 2006 - 07:56 AM

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[Slade]

Why does this thread even exist if its own creator admits that it's an absurd thing to argue about (and has argued about it to a thread length of 169 posts?)

Abbey: Yes it is. That entire statement is fundamentally wrong in the Christian concept of God.

Jejef: What are you talking about now? Something about the phrase "Spoon Poetic" implies some sort of drug addiction? Please enlighten me, as I've never heard anything even remotely similar that I could try and apply here. You're being condescending and assuming that she's part of a flock of sheep, without even knowing her. You're also assuming the plausibility of her being a drug user, advertising it on the forums via her username, and then saying that she's going to lie about it? Did you even think about that petty jab before you typed it out?

[Otal Nimrodi]

Why does this thread even exist if its own creator admits that it's an absurd thing to argue about (and has argued about it to a thread length of 169 posts?)

I have not!

I just pop by once in a while, but I wouldn't say I have argued about it a lot.

Now, back on topic, Jejef is REALLY getting on my nerves.

Also, I remember a while back, he said we were all just following Civ because we like him. This is a tactic I have seen far too often around here. When a large group of people are arguing with a smaller group, usually one, said one accuses the large group of following one member of the large group for arbitrary reasons, in this case, because we like him.

You say you do not insult other people's beliefs.

However, you go on to say that Atheism is akin to Satanism, and somehow, because Atheists don't worship any god, they're not worthy of discussing the matter with you.

This post has been edited by Otal Nimrodi: 01 May 2006 - 10:18 AM

[Sailor Abbey]

However, you go on to say that Atheism is akin to Satanism.

Which is absolutely retarded, to say the least.

[Slade]

Sorry, Otal, not creator. I meant chief executive in charge of arguing in favor of the point, I guess.

[Spoon Poetic]

First of all, I want to mention that you have your definition of Satanism all wrong. But you said you don't want to get into a religious debate, so I'll stop there. Besides, there's a thread for it already. Several, really. If you really want to know why you're wrong, either PM me asking for it, or ask in the proper thread. Do not attack me here. And I'm not attempting to insult you by claiming that you are wrong. Just that you are wrong. Not saying that you are stupid because you are wrong, just that you are wrong. Lots of people get things wrong. I got a question wrong on an exam the other day. I'm not insulted that my professor claimed I was wrong on an answer. I was wrong. Big deal.

Also, get over the Dada thing already. Just because the name sounds silly doesn't mean it's calling you retarded. It means, like Civ said, that you're all over the place, being very random. Dada was an artistic movement that some people don't like because they don't believe that what came out of it was art. Dada was just out to prove that what art is is how society views it. If the artist decides something is art, and society agrees, then it becomes art, because society defined it as art. That's why we come away with things like a bicycle wheel being a great art piece. An upside-down urinal being called a "fountain" a great art piece. A clothing iron with tacks glued to the bottom, great art. Just random. That's all Civ meant. You argue with monkeys and the Bible and laws of Physics... Random. Dada. Not an insult to your intelligence. (Well, Dada had more to it than that - statements about war, society, etc - but that doesn't have anything to do with anything at this point.)

However, I admit, I did directly insult your intelligence, and your character, because I was pretty pissed off that someone would go to such lengths to piss me off. I apologize, and I'll try to be more indirect next time.

Now then.

Why are you so determined to insult me in every post, Jejef? I pity you, for your lack of other things to do...

My screen name is just two random words put together. I couldn't think of a screen name, so first I decided to get an email address to sign up for this forum with. I went to mail.com, where they have all sorts of @whatevers to pick from. @basketball, @musicals, @drummer, whatever. Then I looked around my dorm room, and the first thing I saw was a spoon. Hence, "Spoon." Then, I tried several different @whatevers until I found one that didn't require me to tack on a number to "spoon." So the email address became, "Spoon@Poetic.com" and I used that as my screen name.

BIG EFFING DEAL.

I don't even see how the heck that implies drugs at all. At the most, it implies that I write poetry, and like to cuddle with people. Which both happen to be true, but it was still just a completely random process. And I don't think ANYONE has ever considered the possibility of it suggesting something about drugs. You just had to find something else that you could use you insult me with.

So, Jejef, I was wondering about your name. Be honest, because God hates liars (I'm pretty sure he doesn't condone bullying, either). God also hates bestiality. But please explain your name. I don't mean to imply that you have sex with dolphins, but that's what your username implies.

This post has been edited by Spoon Poetic: 01 May 2006 - 01:18 PM

[Jejef Thgaron]

Why are you so determined to insult me in every post, Jejef? I pity you, for your lack of other things to do...

My screen name is just two random words put together. I couldn't think of a screen name, so first I decided to get an email address to sign up for this forum with. I went to mail.com, where they have all sorts of @whatevers to pick from. @basketball, @musicals, @drummer, whatever. Then I looked around my dorm room, and the first thing I saw was a spoon. Hence, "Spoon." Then, I tried several different @whatevers until I found one that didn't require me to tack on a number to "spoon." So the email address became, "Spoon@Poetic.com" and I used that as my screen name.

BIG EFFING DEAL.

I don't even see how the heck that implies drugs at all. At the most, it implies that I write poetry, and like to cuddle with people. Which both happen to be true, but it was still just a completely random process. And I don't think ANYONE has ever considered the possibility of it suggesting something about drugs. You just had to find something else that you could use you insult me with.

So, Jejef, I was wondering about your name. Be honest, because God hates liars (I'm pretty sure he doesn't condone bullying, either). God also hates bestiality. But please explain your name. I don't mean to imply that you have sex with dolphins, but that's what your username implies.

Ok, thank you for the explanation.

Now, for the explanation on how I 'thought' your name relates to drugs. Ever hear the song "Spoonman", by Soundgarden? The whole song is about shooting up... either heroin, or meth, I'm not sure which, but I've heard it pertains to heroin, so we'll leave it at that. To use the word 'spoon' in this day and age, could mean a variety of different things. I'm not an authority on drugs because I've never done any drugs, other than nicotine, and the occasional beer. I took your username the wrong way, and for that I must apologize. I'm not trying to insult you.

As far as my username goes, it is a random splicing of Star Wars name generating, and some scrambled letters thrown in for the hell of it.

Back to what Otal was talking about...

You brought this over here Otal. I made a random statement pertaining to a philisophical notion or idea that I strongly believe in. You, as well as the rest of the people in that SW forum decided to insult me, and take the one statement out of context to prove I was wrong for believing in a concept. If my arguments are irritating to you, then why did you drag it into another forum? Everyone followed you over here, did they not? Stop pointing fingers. I admitted it was a philisophical idea, and not something you can prove right, or wrong.

Yes, I am tolerant of others' beliefs. Did I not say atheism isn't a religion? How do you believe in nothing? I don't wish to discuss God with a person who doesn't believe a god exists. I'm not saying he isn't worthy, I think it would be pointless. I'm not trying to preach sermons, here.

When I 'compared' atheism, to Satanism, my point was Satanism is the opposite of the Christian religions. The Satanic Bible says everything the Christian Bible says, only with an anti-God message. If you don't believe in a god, then you are anti-God, or anti-religion. It's really not that absurd if you think about it.

I will no longer conduct ANY religious discussions. I am done writing on these forums. My cousin Sven from Denmark, will now take over my username.

[Otal Nimrodi]

But it ISN'T, man, it ISN'T!

Atheism is an empty void, lack of religion, not the opposite of a religion.

[Jejef Thgaron]

But it ISN'T, man, it ISN'T!

Atheism is an empty void, lack of religion, not the opposite of a religion.

Jello, I amm Sven from Dennmarkk?

I will makke smarter than me?

Butt not Aatheism badd if no lackk of religion to be hadd? I thinkk so. This is why voidd is lackk of opposite. Empty voidd is goodd, butt you have my danish? Not goodd for those who likke opposite. I thinkk the danish goodd for emptiness, jah? Voidd is lackk of empty goodd, danish lackk of empty are not badd? I thinkk so. Let's see:

Danish the lackk of emptiness, opposite badd?

Voidd the lackk of opposite, empty goodd?

No other danish goodd for voidd if lackk of emptiness biggger than lackk of opposite. Voidd of opposite goodd for lackk of danish? No, I don't kknow so. Danish of opposite badd for, lackk of empty nesss? Jah.

[Sailor Abbey]

When I 'compared' atheism, to Satanism, my point was Satanism is the opposite of the Christian religions. The Satanic Bible says everything the Christian Bible says, only with an anti-God message. If you don't believe in a god, then you are anti-God, or anti-religion. It's really not that absurd if you think about it.

Just because you think Satanism is the opposite or your religion doesn’t make it the opposite of religion in general. Satanism deals with Judeo-Christian mythology and is therefore more like Christianity than say… oh, I don’t know, every other religion that has nothing to do with it.

[Slade]

Have you ever actually listened to the lyrics of Spoonman? I can't make it be about any sort of drug addiction if I try my hardest. I'm very curious as to what's a reference to specific drugs in it.

And speaking Bjork doesn't really answer anything brought up. At least Jejef could spell and speak in English so one could understand what was being said. Please go back to Denmark, Sven.

In other news: Atheism isn't a void at all, and its relation to religion is a negation, not an opposite. a - theism : a being a prefix meaning without, and theism as a belief in a deity or religion. Though the entire argument is rather moot, since you can't give value judgements to "voids" and "emptiness".

[barend]

Jello, I amm Sven from Dennmarkk?

I will makke smarter than me?

Butt not Aatheism badd if no lackk of religion to be hadd? I thinkk so. This is why voidd is lackk of opposite. Empty voidd is goodd, butt you have my danish? Not goodd for those who likke opposite. I thinkk the danish goodd for emptiness, jah? Voidd is lackk of empty goodd, danish lackk of empty are not badd? I thinkk so. Let's see:

Danish the lackk of emptiness, opposite badd?

Voidd the lackk of opposite, empty goodd?

No other danish goodd for voidd if lackk of emptiness biggger than lackk of opposite. Voidd of opposite goodd for lackk of danish? No, I don't kknow so. Danish of opposite badd for, lackk of empty nesss? Jah.

WTF?!?

[Jejef Thgaron]

Have you ever actually listened to the lyrics of Spoonman? I can't make it be about any sort of drug addiction if I try my hardest. I'm very curious as to what's a reference to specific drugs in it.

And speaking Bjork doesn't really answer anything brought up. At least Jejef could spell and speak in English so one could understand what was being said. Please go back to Denmark, Sven.

In other news: Atheism isn't a void at all, and its relation to religion is a negation, not an opposite. a - theism : a being a prefix meaning without, and theism as a belief in a deity or religion. Though the entire argument is rather moot, since you can't give value judgements to "voids" and "emptiness".

Spoonmann is goodd about drugs? I think so. It is impairedd only by danish. If I listenn to mann of spoonn, is only significantt of heroinn. I am curious? Jah, and so, the reference to drugs must be badd, or danish is lost! Bjorkk withoutt drugs is good, but without no danish, bjorkk loved voidd? Jah, indeedd! Atheismm is belief in godd! No, not quite? Atheismm is like Satanismm in the factt thatt no danish to be hadd!

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To translate for my cousin, Sven:

Spoonman is about drug addiction, either meth, or heroin.

"All my friends are skeletons." "Save me, I'm together with your plan."

They cover it up with the Indian playing spoons on the music video because MTV ALWAYS sugarcoats the truth behind a drug-related song.

Under The Bridge by the Red Hot Chili Peppers is about heroin addiction.
There She Goes is about heroin addiction (this one amazes me because the Christian band, Sixpence None The Richer, decided to remake it).

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A = without / theism = belief in god, or gods.
Atheism is the belief there is no god.
Religion is the belief in God, or gods.

NEGATION means OPPOSITION. It means to CANCEL out the belief. Atheism IS the OPPOSITE of religion. Atheism CANCELS out all belief in God, or gods. If there is no God, or 'higher entity', there is NOTHING, or a VOID. If Atheism is a NEGATION of religious beliefs in God, or gods, it is ANTI-RELIGION, vis-a-vis, atheists believe in NOTHING. Atheism is concordantly classified as a VOID.

Satanism is the OPPOSITE of Judeo-Christian beliefs. My point in bringing it up was this: SATAN, HIMSELF, BELIEVES IN GOD.

Back to you, Sven...

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Jah, undd thank you, Jejeff. I don't thinkk it's hardd to see? Iff no danish to be had, it is voidd! Joinn me nextt time, as I shaved the danish for all to be hadd? Gooddbye!