QUOTE (Despondent @ Sep 2 2005, 02:08 PM)
Will and Grace, Ellen, In your face gay weddings and the like have become the benchmark for the ever changing acceptable lifestyle- in addition to your pubic hair and foul language on tv. this is the debate forum, so we're not supposed to agree, right? At least I'm standing up for what I believe in. It would be so much easier to ignore the whole issue.
Ellen's show was cancelled the same season she came out, and she now has a talk show where she never ever ever mentions her sexuality or her personal life. Rosie O'Donnell's show was cancelled the year she came out amd now you can comfortably never ever hear about her in any context whatsoever. Will and Grace is about men behaving fabulously, talking with inflected lisps and wearing fitted Ts. No men ever have sex on that show, and if I recall correctly Will eventually fathered Grace's child. Other great examples, including the briefly popular makeover show QUEER EYE, only existed to perpetuate a dumb stereotype that gay men dress and live better than straight men because they're not afrid that their friends are going to call them gay. Again, very little to zero sodomy in a show that focussed on getting men to be better boyfriends to the women in their lives.
I have never had a gay wedding in my face, but I see straight wedding shops and magazines everywhere I go. Along with the Maxim mags and the like I metioned, there are a few dozen straight wedding catalogs for sale every month.
I applaud you for standing up for what you believe in; more people should. However apart from some anecdote about a rigged election some place, I don't see any evidence for this national fag conspiracy or this slide toward rampant homosexuality that you mention. I am frankly puzzled why you believe there is one. As for the erosion of sexual mores, my point is that heterosexuals are doing that more and more, while homosexuals by and large are becoming more conservative and polite about keeping their sexuality to themselves.
I continue to be unconvinced by any of the examples you have presented nor by your argument in general. Where do you live that you see so many gay weddings, where are these gay weddings being used not to hook up two gay people but more to make some political point, and in what way can you show that homosexual sex is more prevalent than, say, bus stop ads of Jessica Alba poledancing in a cowboy suit in SIN CITY?
"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).