Read it and puke What are your thoughts?
#2
Posted 14 February 2005 - 09:10 AM
The difference between Anakin and all those guys who went through "courtly love" back in the Middle Ages is that most of those guys were pretty stable BEFORE they fell in love (or the Middle Ages idea of love) - they weren't whiny, effeminate, emotionally stilted backstreet boys. And I'm pretty sure that mass murder - slaughtering a bunch of Sand People - ranks pretty low on "the great feats" scale while ranking pretty high on the "budding fascist psychopath" scale.
Kind of makes me wonder what happened to that other article that was here a few months back with the examination of fan fiction writing, love and sex in relation to the old Star Wars.
This post has been edited by Lord Aquaman: 14 February 2005 - 09:10 AM
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an obi-wan to go.
#3
Posted 14 February 2005 - 09:45 AM
Apologist bull if you ask me.
This post has been edited by HK 47: 14 February 2005 - 09:46 AM
#5
Posted 14 February 2005 - 03:57 PM
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#6
Posted 14 February 2005 - 04:01 PM
These Lucas fans sound like hard core religious folk who say to never question God, b/c you do not understand.
#7
Posted 14 February 2005 - 11:23 PM
I have read (and seen) some well-written fantasy stories with similiar villains who made statements and behavior like that. But the major difference between them is that they don't act like little shitty punks and brats but they have a REAL power base. Also, the great thing is, in one certain story, one of them turns good because they learn the folly of their ways after a long time of thinking over it.
Take Arcanum, for example. It may be a 'steampunk' RPG (actually, it was a combination Traditional RPG with a steampunk theme), I believe that the story was very well written and it did have a good deal of suspence, surprises and subtlity. The presumed villain of the game (he isn't, but you're supposed to think he is in the beginning), was once an Anakin-like individual... young, hot-headed, violent, impatient, and brilliant in whatever he did. He wanted more and more power for himself and this freaked out everyone around him. A group of people tried to build a weapon to defend themselves against him but he destroyed their entire city in order to stop it (along with everyone living in it), but surprisingly, he didn't destroy the actual device!
It sounds a lot like Anakin, he even made a statement similar to his 'I'll be all-powerful' sort of thing, but the MAIN DIFFERENCE between him and Anakin is that he actually had motivation for that and he really was planning on becoming all powerful and ruling the world. Also, his destruction of the city was a calculated movement on his part, and not some fit of unchecked anger, even though they did refer to it along the lines of 'immature rage' or something of that sort.
This makes me want to play Arcanum again... I think I'll go dig up the CD from my shelf.
#8
Posted 15 February 2005 - 12:15 AM
This post has been edited by jariten: 15 February 2005 - 12:20 AM
#9
Posted 15 February 2005 - 08:32 AM
Yes, I think the operative word here is 'villain'. Anakin in AotC is supposed to be a hero, not a villain - a flawed hero perhaps, but still a hero. We're supposed to be seeing all the good qualities that made Obi-Wan speak so highly of him in the OT - but so far they appear to be entirely absent, and going by the RotS spoilers I've read, it doesn't sound like they'll be much in evidence in that film either. Anakin is just a horrible, selfish, arrogant little punk, and while these might be reasonable traits for a villain, they certainly don't make for a good romatic hero.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#10
Posted 15 February 2005 - 03:10 PM
I think I was wrong comparing Anakin to Arronax... Arronax is a case of an evil villain turned good, whilst Anakin is supposed to be a case of a hero turned evil and then turns good again in the end.
In fact, I could more or less say that the real purpose behind Star Wars is not the rise and fall of the Empire, but rather the fall and recovery of Anakin, which Lucas didn't exactly pull off well.
#11
Posted 19 February 2005 - 01:28 AM
I would like to say that the real purpose behind star wars is the rise and fall of Star Wars itself. The transition from something great to total crap. The triumph of greed and stupidity over skill and art.
i suppose there is still hope for Lucas. There has been plenty of talk of him pulling a "ROTJ Vader" on his deathbed.
This post has been edited by Just another wretched fan: 19 February 2005 - 01:29 AM
#14
Posted 24 February 2005 - 03:38 AM
#15
Posted 24 February 2005 - 08:12 AM
I beg to differ. That wasn't the best line in the movie, certainly, but it doesn't come anywhere close to 'I'm haunted by the kiss you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me.'
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People