jade Goody has died!
#91
Posted 22 April 2009 - 01:07 PM
I had a manager at a job years back that I thought was a real dick. He didn;t know the job, but was hired because he had management experience. You know, the standard "cult of management" stuff. He even yook a kind of pride in it, critiquing people on performance, then praising himself on being able to stay up on the numbers like that and to manage a team, while of course "hey, I couldn't do what you guys do." So, he praised himself for being able to recognize when certain performance numbers fell below ever-increasing company standards, which a monkey could do, but simultaneously took pride in not being able to do the actual work of the company.
Anyway. He had an injury to his foot that cost him several toes, lots of time off work, and because it was a particularly horrible modern company, eventually his job. My reaction when I heard of this (I had been quite for some time by then) was to say "Hey it couldn't have happened to nicer guy."
I don't think it's especially unusual to be releived or even gladened at the death or sufering of someone we don't like. Which still isn't the case here with Barend nor myself, since outside this thread we hadn't ever heard of this apparently not very nice person.
Anyway. He had an injury to his foot that cost him several toes, lots of time off work, and because it was a particularly horrible modern company, eventually his job. My reaction when I heard of this (I had been quite for some time by then) was to say "Hey it couldn't have happened to nicer guy."
I don't think it's especially unusual to be releived or even gladened at the death or sufering of someone we don't like. Which still isn't the case here with Barend nor myself, since outside this thread we hadn't ever heard of this apparently not very nice person.
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#92
Posted 22 April 2009 - 01:35 PM
What nocturnal proclivities draw Civ and Barend to the FR forums, I wonder?
Oh, it is because a minor celebrity who is famous for having cancer has died. Honestly, Britain. I would get into this thing, but you see, I had sex with Hitler once, so my points are all null.
Oh, it is because a minor celebrity who is famous for having cancer has died. Honestly, Britain. I would get into this thing, but you see, I had sex with Hitler once, so my points are all null.
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#99
Posted 22 April 2009 - 09:47 PM
QUOTE (joshofalltrades @ Apr 22 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You obviously didn't do as good of a job as you thought. I assumed you were totally serious, especially about making bigger points. The subtext of your post regarding Hitler was that my statement was somehow false because there are people's deaths that we should be celebrating.
You're the only one who took my comments as malicious seriousness. Berating me because you didn't get it won't improve your sense of humour nor gain you points on your spiritual journey to find your funny bone.
QUOTE (joshofalltrades @ Apr 22 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you came into a topic titled, "The Top 10 People I'm Glad Were Murdered" and said, "Um, hey, I don't think we should be glad about any murders," and I replied with, "So you wouldn't murder Hitler?," it wouldn't matter how many people were joke-posting in the topic, because whether that was my intent or not I did just open that can of worms. Particularly if the first post in the topic is a seemingly serious, "GOOD RIDDANCE, PHIL HARTMAN!"
Well firstly I wouldn't murder Hitler. Given how delicate the fabric of time is and what a harsh mistress causality is, the temporal displacement required for such an undertaking would have potentially cataclysmic consequences. Also his reign forged alliances that may never have happened. Of course if I murdered him just before he started the whole genocide thing he would be remembered through history as an icon of hope and humanity and I as the "dipshit" that killed him. Which isn't very fair on me.
Secondly, Phil Hartman is someone that everyone loved. Jade Goody is not. There is also a talent and public contribution portion to that equation that reflects rather poorly on Ms Goody by comparison so it's unfair to draw such a ludicrous comparison.
Also, the last person to joke about Phil Hartman’s death was Andy Dick (the guy who got Hartman’s crazy wife back on coke just before she killed him) at John Lovitz who smashed his face repeatedly into a bar. That's why we don't joke about Hartman’s death; because he was cool, and Lovitz will fuck you up.
QUOTE (joshofalltrades @ Apr 22 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The party hats, confetti etc. was taken as a literal, "If we're not having a party, we're not really celebrating." There was no indication of sarcasm there and so you came across as a dick.
In all fairness I am a dick, but most people find that endearing.
I have not been to a party with hats and novelties since I was 10 so, unless you're a preteen, there's no realistic reason for taking that remark as a serious jab at a dead person. The remark was pure unrefined sarcasm-ore by its very nature and required no in-room charisma to carry it.
QUOTE (joshofalltrades @ Apr 22 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And as far as tact goes, taken seriously your post was pretty dipshitty, and upon your claim that it was meant to be taken humorously I apologized. I even apologized for something I shouldn't have, since I wasn't actually making an ad hominem attack (which would have been the case if I'd said, "Your argument sucks because you're a dipshit," and not, "Your argument sucks because of this and this, also you're a dipshit,").
So what you're saying is that you were not saying: "Your argument is crap because you're a dipshit!" (an ad hominem by definition, which only you claimed it to be) but were in fact saying, "You're argument is wrong! ...oh and by the way, before I forget, you're a dipshit!" which is apparently much better?
QUOTE (joshofalltrades @ Apr 22 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless, I wasn't making the case that we have to respect every person all the time.
A point already clarified by the use of the term: "dipshit"
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#100
Posted 22 April 2009 - 10:33 PM
Jade Goody = SRS BZNS.
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.
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#102
Posted 23 April 2009 - 01:38 PM
QUOTE (Patch @ Apr 23 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Deucaon? You look different.
How do you even know how I look?
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.
#104
Posted 23 April 2009 - 02:13 PM
QUOTE (Gobbler @ Apr 24 2009, 04:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I spread the word that you're fat quite far.
Good, then nobody will notice me if they ever see me in real life.
"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.